View Poll Results: Should True Wrestling Fans Lower Their Standards To Be Considered True Fans?

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    Does It Make Me A Bad Fan -- If I Refuse To Lower My Standards?

    I had a conversation with a friend on skype the other day. We were talking about the attitude era and how awesome it was. It had tons of hard-hitting feuds, engaging storylines, relatable characters, hilarious and emotionally driven segments, and just all kinds of great things that made us proud to be wrestling fans. Then we started comparing that era to the one we're in now and this is where the debate started.

    My friend feels wrestling fans, or more in particular the internet wrestling community, should lower their standards and learn to accept the fact that wrestling isn't as good as it used to be. He sees the problems with wrestling nowadays, just like I do, and understands it comes no where in comparison to how great it used to be. However, he feels TRUE wrestling fans should change their standards with the business, if they truly are fans. If we truly love what we watch, we'd accept it isn't as good as it used to be and change with it.

    I disagreed with him wholeheartedly. I believe you can still carry the same standards and love for what you used to watch and still be considered a fan. Sure, you might not enjoy as much as a newer viewer would, cause it isn't as good as what you watched. That does not make you even lesser of a fan. You just have a stronger appreciation of higher quality entertainment and will not just call anything and everything you get gold. True wrestling fans are fans who watch the product on a consistent basis, whether or not you are criticizing the product or praising it.

    Which side do you take on this?


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    when wwe does something old again we complain, hey this is the same nexus/nwo shit, been there done that, and when they do something new we compain, wrestling used to be better,
    complainers will always complain

    sure, some gimmicks really suck, on the other side, gimmicks like sandow, bray wyat, team hell no are worth watching

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    To answer the title, absolutely not. Just because you choose to conform to everything that a wrestling product presents does not make you a better fan than those who decide not to. If you enjoy wrestling, no matter what it is you're looking out of the entertainment, you're a fan. There's no bad, worse, better or perfect fan. There are just wrestling fans.


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    Yes, people will always say the past is better then the current (Not just in wrestling this happens, look at Games and movie comments on youtube) everyone over rates the past, like when i play a game i loved as a kid, but now when i play it, it's just meh. You most likely no sold all the boring shit in the AE, and only remembered the good parts.

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    I don't think it makes you or anyone a BAD fan necessarily. Not particularly realistic though.

    By refusing to lower your 'standards' you are basically admitting that you're holding out for a return to the days of yore. Which is never going to happen. I suspect you know this, so why do you choose to shoot yourself in the foot as a fan? Is it not better that you walk away now and hold onto the precious memories of the AE rather than have them watered down and sullied by the current state of the product?

    I'm not sure what makes a "true" wrestling fan - above being fans we are human and we are going to like what we like and dislike what we dislike. If a TV show I like turns crap (in my opinion) I choose to stop watching it. No use me torturing myself over it. I've done the same with sports I have come to lose interest in. So, why not wrestling? Maybe the time comes for some of us where we can no longer enjoy whats on offer. I think it's important that you ask yourself, is it because of the current standard in comparison to the older standard or is it simply because the current standard is just unwatchable on it's own merit?

    You don't have to lower your standards to lower your expectations. Accepting less doesn't make you less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robstar View Post
    I don't think it makes you or anyone a BAD fan necessarily. Not particularly realistic though.

    By refusing to lower your 'standards' you are basically admitting that you're holding out for a return to the days of yore. Which is never going to happen. I suspect you know this, so why do you choose to shoot yourself in the foot as a fan? Is it not better that you walk away now and hold onto the precious memories of the AE rather than have them watered down and sullied by the current state of the product?

    I'm not sure what makes a "true" wrestling fan - above being fans we are human and we are going to like what we like and dislike what we dislike. If a TV show I like turns crap (in my opinion) I choose to stop watching it. No use me torturing myself over it. I've done the same with sports I have come to lose interest in. So, why not wrestling? Maybe the time comes for some of us where we can no longer enjoy whats on offer. I think it's important that you ask yourself, is it because of the current standard in comparison to the older standard or is it simply because the current standard is just unwatchable on it's own merit?

    You don't have to lower your standards to lower your expectations. Accepting less doesn't make you less.
    Basically, the bolded. I never got why people don't follow this line of logic; whenever I ask I get, "because I was taught to never give up on something, even if it sucks" <-- though, they would probably stop going/doing/watching other things if it got bad.

    It doesn't make you a bad fan, to not want to lower your standards, but I do think it may cloud your judgement a smidge. Sure the AE was better, in the opinions of some people, but if you're looking through that as your glasses for comparison, it won't really do you any favors. It applies to almost everything. Cartoons were good back in the day, now they aren't, not because they legit suck(Some probably do), but folks are busy reliving the old days; same with wrestling, same with anything.
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  7. #7
    OP lost me at attitude era.

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    But was the Attitude Era really better? I can't speak for everyone but yeah there were great moments but there were also crappy moments. Every "era" of wrestling has it's ups and downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestling_Deluxe_08 View Post
    I had a conversation with a friend on skype the other day. We were talking about the attitude era and how awesome it was. It had tons of hard-hitting feuds, engaging storylines, relatable characters, hilarious and emotionally driven segments, and just all kinds of great things that made us proud to be wrestling fans. Then we started comparing that era to the one we're in now and this is where the debate started.


    I’m going to dig a little at you WD because I think you have a bit more potential if you are able to get your mind out of the nook you are comfortably nestled into. Just know that this is an honest attempt to help and not an onslaught that it might seem like and that there is a point to this interaction, so read the actual message I am presenting. I’m figuring you to be 16, but I will spot you 3 years and say you are just shy of 20. The consensus is that the AE ended in late 2001 so I’ll spot you until 2003. With that said, if you are currently 19, and the AE ended in 2003, then you were approximately 9 years old upon the completion of the era. I state this only because I want to know which characters were “relatable” to you in that era. Was it the Porn star, the Black Panther knock off, the walking dead and his clan, the corporate structured faction, the goofballs who told them to suck it, or the beer drinking redneck who told his boss to go fuck himself? The storylines were good for those in the main position, but don’t forget the mid-card (even with their stories) had the odor of Russo writing all over them with feuds having random people injected frequently. There were a few emotional and comedic storylines involved, but for every 2-5 min segment that are highlighted, there are HOURS of programming that don’t have such a splendid flavor left on you pallet. Yes, the attitude era was great, but if we are realistic and actually watched it these days, you’d find yourself fast forwarding just as quickly as you do with RAW these days. My point is that these “standards” you speak of are tainted by our own emphasis we put on something. I used to LOVE eating Hot Pockets when I was 12, but today I am not a fan of them.


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    Sorry, had to split this up because my PC is acting goofy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestling_Deluxe_08 View Post
    My friend feels wrestling fans, or more in particular the internet wrestling community, should lower their standards and learn to accept the fact that wrestling isn't as good as it used to be. He sees the problems with wrestling nowadays, just like I do, and understands it comes no where in comparison to how great it used to be. However, he feels TRUE wrestling fans should change their standards with the business, if they truly are fans. If we truly love what we watch, we'd accept it isn't as good as it used to be and change with it.


    I ask you this; is wrestling today a choreographed match based around a written script with a predetermined outcome? This is the same format that wrestling has used for the better part of a century. Wrestling hasn’t “changed” in the way it is executed outside of the evolution of new maneuvers. What has changed is the attitude of fans. We demand something to be mind blowing minute by minute. If it does not accomplish this, fans associate the product as crap when they are missing the entire story being told. You are an avid Punk fan, but would you not admit that there are times when he is more than bland in his performance or seems a bit “toned down” as to what his potential is? These moments are to help further the story that is being told; a story that has been told for a better part of a century. It is not that wrestling isn’t as great as it used to be, rather that we are in a period (similar to when Bret and Shawn were the top stars) in which new characters are being groomed and developed to move us into another “peak” in the wrestling industry.


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