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    The Show must go on

    (Excuse the cliched title)

    I was reading a preview of Elimination Chamber prior to watching it and several comments were pre-empting "a typical snoozefest", from "that no talent" freakshow who "only has a career because he's taller than most wrestlers". I of course notice "Big Show hate" on forums, comments, dirthseets etc.


    So I ask why - I really don't understand it. Yes, he isn't Kurt Angle in the ring. But does everybody need to be a man of 1000 holds, or an indie spotmonkey or a 60 minute match performer from ROH? I realise that this may sound somewhat ignorant (I'm a fan of indie wrestling, a fan of CM Punk and Austin Aries, Kevin Steen etc) but this IS, pardon the cliche, ENTERTAINMENT. It always has been. From Stampede Wrestling's "The Lochness Monster" aka Giant Haystacks to Andre the Giant, to even smaller men than them, the business is about storytelling and someone like Show fulfils that.


    At times he's also agile in the ring and is great for a brawl type match; his ring psychology is good too, he can tell a story in the ring and work the crowd. On top of that his mic skills are phenomenal I'd say. So why the hate?

    and if you disagree surely this accent should warm you to the big man

    http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-americ...n-apr-26014247
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    The only thing I hate about Big Show is that every time he loses or gets embarrassed in some way, he goes on a rampage squashing half the midcard and making them look like worthless chumps. They just have him effortlessly knock out 2-6 low card guys in one segment to hammer home the fact that he's an "angry giant". The talent pretty much gets thrown under the bus to put Show over.

    Mark Henry goes on rampages too, but in Henry's case, it's pretty much his whole gimmick and he mostly beats up on uppercarders, who can generally redeem themselves on the next show. People like Alex Riley, Yoshi Tatsu, the Usos, or anyone else who is a victim of Big Show's wrath is not afforded the luxury of being able to redeem themselves in the eyes of the fans the following week. When Henry crushes people, it's to show us that he's a threat. When Big Show does it, it's to REMIND us that he's a threat, and it hurts what little credibility the wrestlers may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TempestH View Post
    The only thing I hate about Big Show is that every time he loses or gets embarrassed in some way, he goes on a rampage squashing half the midcard and making them look like worthless chumps. They just have him effortlessly knock out 2-6 low card guys in one segment to hammer home the fact that he's an "angry giant". The talent pretty much gets thrown under the bus to put Show over.

    Mark Henry goes on rampages too, but in Henry's case, it's pretty much his whole gimmick and he mostly beats up on uppercarders, who can generally redeem themselves on the next show. People like Alex Riley, Yoshi Tatsu, the Usos, or anyone else who is a victim of Big Show's wrath is not afforded the luxury of being able to redeem themselves in the eyes of the fans the following week. When Henry crushes people, it's to show us that he's a threat. When Big Show does it, it's to REMIND us that he's a threat, and it hurts what little credibility the wrestlers may have.
    Exactly!!! Great point! The Big Show has indeed put on some five star matches in his career and he'll destroy any midcarder after a big loss but he looks weak, sloppy and un focussed when facing most main eventers=ADR & Cena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phantom Menace View Post
    Exactly!!! Great point! The Big Show has indeed put on some five star matches in his career and he'll destroy any midcarder after a big loss but he looks weak, sloppy and un focussed when facing most main eventers=ADR & Cena.
    An exception is sheamus i think his matches with him were very good. Their match at survivor series or night of champions (not sure which) when big show won the title was easily the best of the night
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    That's Awesome...I think you just stomped the nuts of the entire IWC with this comment. A thing of beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcfccalum View Post
    An exception is sheamus i think his matches with him were very good. Their match at survivor series or night of champions (not sure which) when big show won the title was easily the best of the night
    Yes these matches were great, and I enjoyed the last man standing vs ADR. With Show you're not king to get a Ziggles performance. The value comes in the entertainment. It is classic booking - make a monster heel (slaying Midcard etc) so he can be toppled by a big face like ADR and give him the rub. This is a necessity and with his sense for psychology, entertainment value and mic skills he's damn good at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckIsForLosers View Post
    Yes these matches were great, and I enjoyed the last man standing vs ADR. With Show you're not king to get a Ziggles performance. The value comes in the entertainment. It is classic booking - make a monster heel (slaying Midcard etc) so he can be toppled by a big face like ADR and give him the rub. This is a necessity and with his sense for psychology, entertainment value and mic skills he's damn good at it.
    Agree mostly with this. Show kept winning against Sheamus, who didn't need to be over, but made Show look even more dangerous and fearsome. Now you pass that baton off to Del Rio, who the 'E decided they needed to be their top Mexican star, he can beat Show and look like such a hero in the process.

    Also, Big Show has been around longer than nearly everyone wrestling in the 'E right now. In his prime, he was very athletic and incredible for his size. Hate to give in to sympathy, but what else can Big Show really do with his life? Not including the recent returns of several temporary stars, the 'E lacks depth in veteran wrestlers right now, Big Show has earned his spot.

    I don't see how weak wrestlers that are getting no push what-so-ever get hurt by Big Show crushing them. Can't it be looked at as, hey, at least they're getting some TV time and recognition. This would be much more damaging if he was squashing current up-and-comer mid-carders.

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    At the OP very well put.

    Yeah Big Show gets a lot of shtick but in fairness for a big guy he is better than most in the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckIsForLosers View Post
    (Excuse the cliched title)

    I was reading a preview of Elimination Chamber prior to watching it and several comments were pre-empting "a typical snoozefest", from "that no talent" freakshow who "only has a career because he's taller than most wrestlers". I of course notice "Big Show hate" on forums, comments, dirthseets etc.


    So I ask why - I really don't understand it. Yes, he isn't Kurt Angle in the ring. But does everybody need to be a man of 1000 holds, or an indie spotmonkey or a 60 minute match performer from ROH? I realise that this may sound somewhat ignorant (I'm a fan of indie wrestling, a fan of CM Punk and Austin Aries, Kevin Steen etc) but this IS, pardon the cliche, ENTERTAINMENT. It always has been. From Stampede Wrestling's "The Lochness Monster" aka Giant Haystacks to Andre the Giant, to even smaller men than them, the business is about storytelling and someone like Show fulfils that.


    At times he's also agile in the ring and is great for a brawl type match; his ring psychology is good too, he can tell a story in the ring and work the crowd. On top of that his mic skills are phenomenal I'd say. So why the hate?

    and if you disagree surely this accent should warm you to the big man

    http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-americ...n-apr-26014247
    I ask myself that a lot of them time. I think it's a case of people picking one standard of wrestling and basing everyone else off that. say picking CM Punk level of wrestling, and comparing people, who clearly are not of that style, to it. I Suppose that's why Cena gets to much flak, or Sheamus, or even Show. Instead of looking at them as brawlers, like they are, they are looked at as technical guys, so the scale is skewed.

    As for the hate, I couldn't tell you - I've enjoyed Big Show these days, I think now though with Henry back, Show needs to go back to RAW to remain relevant and be the resident RAW monster, while Henry handles SD in that department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckIsForLosers View Post
    (Excuse the cliched title)

    I was reading a preview of Elimination Chamber prior to watching it and several comments were pre-empting "a typical snoozefest", from "that no talent" freakshow who "only has a career because he's taller than most wrestlers". I of course notice "Big Show hate" on forums, comments, dirthseets etc.


    So I ask why - I really don't understand it. Yes, he isn't Kurt Angle in the ring. But does everybody need to be a man of 1000 holds, or an indie spotmonkey or a 60 minute match performer from ROH? I realise that this may sound somewhat ignorant (I'm a fan of indie wrestling, a fan of CM Punk and Austin Aries, Kevin Steen etc) but this IS, pardon the cliche, ENTERTAINMENT. It always has been. From Stampede Wrestling's "The Lochness Monster" aka Giant Haystacks to Andre the Giant, to even smaller men than them, the business is about storytelling and someone like Show fulfils that.


    At times he's also agile in the ring and is great for a brawl type match; his ring psychology is good too, he can tell a story in the ring and work the crowd. On top of that his mic skills are phenomenal I'd say. So why the hate?

    and if you disagree surely this accent should warm you to the big man

    http://www.wwe.com/videos/the-americ...n-apr-26014247
    Honestly I don't think it's Big Show himself, I think it's who Big Shows gets paired up with. There are some people, that when you hear Big Shows name against, you think "that could be a decent/good match", and there are others where you think "oh lord...not Big Show..please anyone else than Big Show". Personally, I'm ok with big Show. I think he can work well with anyone, but the biggest problem comes from when he faces someone numerous times, ie John Cena. Personally I'd love to see a Big Show/Brock Lesnar feud
     

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    Big shows fued with Brock and Kurt from early 00's were very entertaining... of course "the stars have to align" for a perfect wrestler...and lets face it, 9 times outta 10, your not going to have the perfect wrestler against another perfect wrestler, with the perfect storyline fued, and all these perfect matches....and that's the problem a lot of fans don't understand...some wrestlers just don't click with one another, and can't actually tell a good story together in the ring, but I am a fond believer that wrestlers, more then the writers, tend to get lazy and will settle for IC championship, or no championship and be find just being a mid carder...or even be in the wwe/whc picture and STILL don't seem to grasp attention from the viewers....it takes something different and a reinventing, if you will. show HAS done this many o' many times, and it STILL can be done....but with his limited skills and his overall size, its hard to "re-invent". give it time though, truly a great athlete and certainly a future H.O.F'er... and all of this ^^ goes for EVERY superstar I.M.O. not just directed with big show..

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