Look another thread about someone being under rated with another bunch of comments that say "he was better as a heel, he was better with this gimmick, you know when he was heel" ... get over it Orton isn't bad on the mic, not great but not bad, they don't give him an exceptionally dynamic character, and i'm not sure if it's because he can't do better or a creative decision his in ring stuff has been and continues to be some of the best in the world clean, fast, smooth, and backed by excellent ring story telling. i think he's given credit by some, but underestimated by a few ( the wwe doesn't they keep him near the title hunt for a reason). As for his character being "Stale" i chalk comments like that up to "what should happen in wrestling is....."
If the IWC ran WWE
week 1 everyone face gets heel turns, all the heels get face turns
week 2 internet explodes at how awesome it is, crowd gets behind faces
week 3 faces continue to act like faces, heels continue to do most of the more cerebral ring work
week 4 faces begin to get support from someone OTHER than the iwc
week 5 Faces accused of being stale, heels should get a face turn and aren't given credit, Robstar posts something about Vicky being hot
week 6 IWC explains how their fav show that they watch religiously is horrible and ruin the guy who they hate now but used to love "you know back when he was good , back when he was a heel"
week 7 threads bashing top face dominate, rumors of heel turns for all the faces proliferate
week 8 see week 1