The Miz became the most "must see" champion because you watched to see if he could escape with the title again. Wasnt because he dominated opponents. His promos were fantastic. He actually seemed like a modern day Ric Flair during his WWE Title reign.
Alright, let me put a little perspective on this as it seems as though both of you are arguing a point from two different views. Rather than bicker about it, let’s get a third mans view on what was said.
I do believe this to be a true statement because from the majority of conversations, articles, and thoughts I have had, witnessed, read, or heard, this fact holds true. Flair was best known for his title reigns and not the means he took to secure or keep hold of the belt. He acquired the moniker “Dirtiest Player in the Game” because of his actions, but in no way did that take away from his legacy of being “The Man.” Granted, this is just from my point of view and the information I have seen for myself, so if there is some debatable facts that counter act the opinion on Flair as being “less than” because of the ways he won his belts or retained them, I’d need to see the articles for myself.
I think this is the statement that caused the most confusion. Correct me if I’m wrong SB, but you are saying that the statement can’t hold as a “truth” because there are too many unknown variables (other fans opinions) that cannot be weighed into this statement, agreed? Hence, without the vast majority of other fans (especially those who do not frequent the net), than such an absolute statement should not be made.
I don’t think that he was “reaching” as much as he didn’t see the point you were making. You are correct in speaking on one man’s opinion not equaling a majority, but mass opinion does indicate that the point being made was valid – Once again, if you have proof to the contrary about how Flair’s reigns as champion were remembered, I am open to the thought.
Negated argument – It is far too confrontational of an effort without enough drive to create such retaliation, in my opinion. SB’s counter was that one man doesn’t make the majority; not that you were inadequate in your opinion or abilities to deliver a countering opinion on the debate.
Much better response – The data you are referring to in PWI being the IWC, before the IWC. They had the same views and thoughts that have seemed to transcend the generations into the current topic of debate. Check out some of their back logs and you can see similar arguments for the Dusty/Flair battle and the current Punk/Rock dilemma (If the 4H interfere it will confirm Flair as being known more as a cheater than a champ). I’ll dig further into the back logs, but from what I have seen, in no way is Flair regarded negatively based upon the times he needed to use a pair of brass knuckles, pull the tights, or get help from an outside party.
Excluding the comments towards age or idea of flawed logic, I think this is the major issue. The issue is a failed communication between the two points being made. The majority of content past these posts are more of a brick arguing to the wall as to what the color of the grout used to hold the wall is. So this is where I’ll conclude my “expert” analysis on the topic.
Lol, DRG weighs in with another lengthy dissection! You still left out the par where you say I'm right..... :rolleyes:
And if you can't find the parts that validate your argument in my reply, then it's probably because I don't want to give you a "DRG said Robstar is right" quote for your signature ;)
I truly believe the SB invalidated his own argument when he accused me of expressing what was indeed my opinion (and a learned one at that, padded out by experience) and expressing his own opinion as "facts" or "logic". He was basically saying that his logic trumped my logic but without bringing anything sufficient to backup that logic, which is what I did. So in essence, what he did was the Cartman "Screw you guys, I'm going home" which is equivalent of resorting to "Yeah well you're doodie head!" and running away.
If that is your view then; I think the two of you were the two of you were arguing two different things (but I’d need SB’s opinion on my view to confirm) and I don’t think that he was arguing your point on Flairs legacy being “wrong” but the choice of wording you used as being “absolute” when we all know, of course, it will never be.
It’s like someone debating if you add two hundred million pieces of Skittles with two hundred million pieces of Skittles, do you get 4 hundred million pieces of Skittles? The general thought for the answer is yes, but the question is, do you REALLY know? Have you REALLY counted them? Have you REALLY re-counted them enough times to verify that the final answer is a common conclusion amongst the mathematical community...? The first impression or reaction is “of course” but until you sit down and go through the pain staking task of meticulously counting each and every Skittle, it’s just speculation and not fact. :rolleyes:
Yeah DRG! Way to muddy up the waters even further! In any case, it's over now. We both made our points, I shouldn't be narky haha.