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The IWC Shouldn't Be A Place Where Great Ideas Die...

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It’s been a while since I wrote on the How to Regain a Loyal Fan series. Being that I am OCD of sorts, I don’t like the idea of leaving this unfinished. However, I made a bit of an error in my 12 critical points and even writing the title to this blog made me cringe a bit. If you want to know what they are, simply follow the links to my other blogs to understand what I laid out over a year ago. If not, all you need to know is that I expressed 12 things that need to happen in the wrestling industry, and this topic is one of them. I still feel solid in saying that there are some great ideas in the IWC for the wrestling product, booking, storylines, and dream matches… But some ideas need to die in the IWC.

I have taken this long to write on this subject because I have come to accept the fact that blogging in general is just a chance for some who think their ideas are the only way that wrestling should operate. It’s a soapbox for the disillusioned to rant and rave about what is shit, or what miracle push to a superstar will make everything magically better for everyone; even if you don’t agree, it will be better because it is what I want to happen and I know best. This idea needs to die in the IWC.

Such selfishness and egotism makes me happy that the creative departments ignore the masses in the IWC. We all have this thought that since we have been fans for so long, we know how things should be done; everyone else is out of touch with reality. Yet the corporation that is WWE turns millions of dollars in profit each year. TNA still registers their million viewers each week, all without doing what IWC member X said HAS TO BE DONE in order to be a successful company putting out a successful program.

I am proud to be a knowledgeable wrestling fan who has in-depth conversation about something I am passionate about with other who share the same enthusiasm for the program, but far too often I feel that those who are “inside” the industry I love are right; (Some) Internet fans should just shut the hell up.

I wrote a blog a while back about the Top Feud in Wrestling and it still stands as the biggest battle; Fans versus other Fans. Perhaps this is one of the things that factors into my feelings about the IWC at the moment. Far too often we see IWC fans taking cheap shots at other products; this idea needs to die in the IWC. Sure, I can crack a few jokes about how bad Claire Lynch was for TNA.

I can also take a few shots at how bland the WWE product has been for a while. A quick jab about the “Big Signing” for Dixie being a fighter who will see more time on Bellator than in TNA. A blow to WWE about how their poster boy has been running the same shtick for the past decade. I have no issues with specifically identifying things that you feel to be “silly” or “annoying” with a product. But the IWC seems to have become less of a place to discuss these things, and more of a place to call all things related to promotion X as “shit” and then leave it at that.

No thought behind why you think WWE/TNA is a shit product; “it sucks” is apparently the depth of thought that the new generation of fan can register. I am not sure if this is just the sad state that society has come to, or if the Internet Wrestling Community as a whole is slowly losing their ability to have a discussion about something they are spending hours of time invested into weekly. What gives?

When I wrote that the IWC shouldn’t be a place where great ideas die, I had an upbeat message. I was going to steer you towards how you can provide each company in question with positive feedback as to what elements of their product they should be focusing on. A place to provide information to these companies what you would hope to see in their show.

Think of it as those in the IWC being a focus group for the brands that we most enjoy; we the consumer have a chance to voice our honest feedback to these people about what we like about their product.
There are even websites set up for this sole purpose.

However I am reluctant to pass such information along to the masses of the IWC based on the reasoning that I don’t think the majority can actually provide “positive feedback” to these companies because all I seem to encounter these days are the “this sucks” types (this also needs to die in the IWC).

Such “constructive criticism” by such deep thinkers would blow the minds of those who take the time to read the feedback they are given; yes they read what you write and sometimes will even send you a responding email, thanking you for your input as a fan and commenting on your ideas.

Yes, the IWC does have some GREAT ideas. Austin Aries vs. Kurt Angle, how to incorporate the Wyatt Family to make an immediate impact, potential directions for The Shield, Who should be the cause of A&8’s demise; there has been excellent discussion on such great topics or potential booking of dream matches.

But this great discussion gets lost among those with the “look at me” complex who state that “it sucks” or care only to make negative comments about something without providing any sort of thought as to a countering or “better” direction to take things in. Some who do take the time to think of what they want to see are quick to dismiss any counter opinion or thought as “stupid” because it’s not what THEY as an individual want to see.

There are VERY few in the IWC at the moment that I feel could actually give their constructive criticism on what they think should happen and be okay with the product if it doesn’t go in the direction they would like, thinking about the masses and not the individual fan that they are. Don’t get me wrong, I too have been guilty of such thoughts at times. However, I am not so dense as to think that people should ONLY eat chocolate ice cream and that every other flavor “sucks”. Such idiotic thinking should die in the IWC.

As always, feel free to comment and I will reply as I can. Have a different opinion? Make your valid points as I always enjoy hearing them. Like what you read? Subscribe to this series and follow along as I continue giving my take on how the industry is progressing and regressing simultaneously.

If you feel like you’ve missed the direction of this blog, check out the previous blog archives and catch up a bit on where my opinions are based from(this will also help you understand why I choose the word “loyal”) and what the goal of this series truly is; How to regain loyal fans.

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Updated 06-10-2013 at 11:15 AM by Rated_R(ob)KO

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  1. Steve's Right Peg of Doom's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by blink
    Took about as much brain power as it did for you to come up with you ewn alias. Who cares if she left? People come and go. Hopefully you'll be thr next to leave... I mean why not? You apparently have a problem with how Ryan Clark posts his news... so why stay? Also I don't see why people always complaib about that. He gathers all the news from various sites and brings them all to one. Its conveniant
    Actually my friend I come here for the forums and to bask in your rapier wit.
  2. Bagg's Avatar
    I come on here and complain about wrestling because you know......we're wrestling fans. If the dude downstairs at the coffee shop, passed me my coffee and then said, "hey that Cena segment was really the shits last night", maybe I wouldnt need to come on here.

    When i complain on this site it is usually responding to news stories or to blogs, i dont sit there thinking that Vince McMahon or Triple H is going to stumble upon it and then think, "hey, check this out, our new VP of talent relations is right here on this site". I complain because other members of the ever-dreaded, handicapped space parking, little kid slapping IWC, have far more to say about it, because they're wrestling fans!!

    Im starting to feel like i just got trolled too because you wrote a blog complaining about people complaining about wrestling and then you in fact in the blog, complained about wrestling!

    If you don't like people complaining about wrestling, you leave the site i guess. Because even in the glory days of the Attitude era, you could still go in yahoo chat rooms and see people.....complaining about wrestling.

    This doesnt make sense, why am i even responding to this.

  3. PhEonYx's Avatar
    Phenomenal read. Glad someone gets it.
  4. RobVelcoff's Avatar
    Nice blog. From the comments, some people miss the point. People can, of course, post whatever they like here, subject to the limitations on the rules of the website. What I believe you're saying is that it would be BETTER if people explained what they mean, using constructive criticism, instead of just being haters. That's just good common sense. Can people come on this site and bitch without leaving constructive criticism - sure. Are those posts that people like to read - I don't think so. I would much rather read a post saying that John Cena sucks because ..., and several reasons are listed, than someone just saying that Cena sucks. Both are valid, but intelligent people generally want to read intelligent posts, even on a wrestling site.

    I'll leave my opinion about John Cena as an example: I still like John Cena because he's a better technical wrestler than most people give him credit for (not great, but not terrible either), he's charismatic, he's funny, he's an excellent talker, he's remarkably strong, he's a very hard worker, he does all the stuff for the kids (Make a Wish, etc.), he almost never takes time off due to injury, and the audience is split in regards to whether they like him or not, which I think makes him more interesting than people give him credit for.

    Isn't that more enjoyable to read than if I just said: "I still like John Cena."? Even if you hate Cena?

    Again, you can post whatever you like. You're definitely free to do that. But I enjoy reading well thought out and articulate comments more than monosyllabic hatrid.
  5. blink's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve's Right Peg of Doom
    Actually my friend I come here for the forums and to bask in your rapier wit.
    Well I definitely don't come on here to bask in yours. And even if I did, judging by this conversation, I wouldn't be able to. So I'm finished with this convo. Have a good day. Make sure to stay out of the street.
  6. weems's Avatar
    This blog was very well written and I am guessing the author probably aced his thesis back in his college days. I agree with some of what was said. I don't like reading comments that say, "This blog sucks." Furthermore, you already have 25 comments which is impressive. This blog could break the record for most comments and reads before it is taken off the front page. Blogs like this that initiate feedback are my favorites whether I agree with them or not.

    I will know give my 2 cents on this blog: I disagree with the majority of the content in the blog. The IWC exists right now because wrestling has a cult following. Most of us can talk with our colleagues, friends or family about the local sports team, politics, movies, etc. However, I don't have any friends that watch wrestling or at least admit that they watch it. Unfortunately, most wrestling fans my age (I am 29) are also closet fans. Therefore, my peers that follow the product are more likely to deny their interest in wrestling opposed to engage in a conversation with me about it. Back in junior high when the attitude era was in full force, people would wear WCW or WWE shirts to school and wrestling was a common conversation piece. I never had any interest going on the net to talk wrestling back then b/c I was constantly discussing it with my buddies. That's not the case anymore. Common conversation pieces in my life now are sports, the news and work. Therefore, the only people I can talk wrestling with are the people (all of which I don't actually know) on this site. When I am on this site, I am just looking to bullshit and enjoy myself. I am not looking to have an intellectual discussion or feel that I am more qualified than the WWE creative team.

    Also, if somebody says Cena and his 5 moves of doom suck, well then that is their opinion and so be it. This blog is suggesting that the person making the anti Cena comment should then be obligated to suggest a different move set for Cena to learn along with a wrestling school of where he can learn that move set.

    I live in Indianapolis and Colts fans will constantly say that certain Colts players "suck." That is their opinion and they have the right to express it. There is no need for this Colts fan to say Player X is not productive and the general manager should cut him and then make a trade with Team Y to acquire Player Z for a third round draft pick. Likewise, Colts fans are always gossiping each year on what player the Colts should draft in the first round. This is no different than the IWC suggesting who should get a title push. Just like I realize the Colt's GM is not listening to my opinion as he evaluates the draft board, I also realize that VKM is not listening to me either. However, I should be able to talk about it with my friends now shouldn't I?
  7. weems's Avatar
    I also want to express my opinion in that sometimes it is okay to say something "sucks." I agree with you 100% when somebody writes a great blog focused on Impact or a TNA PPV and than gets a comment saying "TNA sucks" that it is just uncalled for. However, when the Great Kahli is involved in a segment (whether it be wrestling, a promo, a backstage comedy skit, wearing the Mysterio mask, kissing Mae Young, etc.) it is okay to just use the bland "this sucks" when describing Kahli's work. There is no reason to elaborate on why the segment sucked b/c everything Kahli has been involved with over the last 3 years has been abysmal.
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