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The Problem and Possible Solutions for the Divas

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Do you internet marks finally get it?

Do people finally understand that WWE is a company desperate for consumer's money and attention? That they are only going to give opportunities to stars with interest, and how the Divas are not of any interest to the consumer? Wrestlemania is nigh & RAW is pulling off the best ratings possible. That means showing mostly segments that will certainly keep viewers & keep them entertained. The Divas simply don't draw.

You have John Cena, CM Punk, Randy Orton, & Sheamus, whom fans primarily come to the shows to see. Team Hell No have had one of the most entertaining angles of the year. Jack Swagger would probably be out of a job by now if it weren't for the attention he & Zeb Colter received in the political news world, so they receive far more attention on RAW now. Ryback & the Shield are dark horses to the product, and not to mention you have the Rock, the person to thank for ratings on the rise & expansion in fanbase. When was the last time people invest in the product for a female wrestler? Why can't a woman (without the help from Cena or Punk or Bryan by the way) get over?

You have seen guys who have earn the right to be in RAW's spotlight every week: Bryan, Cesaro, Sandow, Ziggler, & Clay believe it or not are just a few examples of how their momentum rises due to fan reaction. AJ has been over, but that's because of her involvement outside the ring rather than in it.

Now here are many guys in recent history that have failed to appeal to the consumer:

Bo Dallas. He gone from burying the IC Champion to pure nonexistence.
Tensai. Wasn't he going to feud with Cena & Punk last Summer?
Sin Cara. Wasn't he tag teaming with Cena around his debut?
David Otunga & Michael McGillicutty. Yeah, real villains they were.
Ezekiel Jackson & Mason Ryan. We sure enjoyed their pushes, we did.
Jinder Mahal. Yeah, he was so important, that's why he is in 3MB now & not even they matter anymore.

This is the rule, & it applies to everybody. If people cheer for certain wrestlers, they featured more. If nobody reacts to them, they are left off the show. In case people have forgotten a certain promo, listen and learn about how people rise & fall in the company. Take it away, Phil.



Numerous ignorant fans have gone to argue with me that "In order for fans to cheer for the Divas, they need more focus, longer matches, and more storylines." That is inexplicable and illogical. That would mean that the fans don't cheer for the people they like but just cheer for when they're booked better. I doubt that fans take it into regard, because they're fans! Fans won't help somebody like Bo Dallas get over if he is just continuously shove down our throats. That only hurts the product even more.

This is how it's been for years with the Divas. No matter if it was a real fight like Beth vs. Gail Kim or a powderpuff affair between Kelly Kelly & Layla, the fans never showed any support. They never expressed that they wanted to see more. How does utter silence from the audience mean that they want to see more? To the members of the Ignorant Whining Children, please elaborate.

The fans don't come to analyze creative storytelling, they come to enjoy the show! People go to the events to get entertained. They cheer for the good guys & boo the bad guys & if that happens, WWE knows they're making positive choices and they know they're booking a program good enough for TV. If they get no reaction, that means the fans are not interested. But don't think WWE hasn't tried to make compelling storylines for the women.

Over the past few months you had storylines for Divas such as Kaitlyn and AJ, and they both crashed and burned due to the monotonous lack of interest & appreciation from the consumer. They tried to make Kaitlyn a hit. They did everything they could to make her the new face of the division. They made her the subject of a whodunit storyline, put her in a long grueling feud with Eve, gave her a total makeover, Edge's finisher, tried to make her title win as important as they could on the 20th Anniversary in her hometown. With all that, fans still don't show that she matters whatsoever. All that effort to build her is just gone and it's all because the audiences have no taste for it. How can you blame "creative" or "WWE" in this regard? What have they done wrong here? What more is it going to take?

Unfortunately, Kaitlyn is a failure. I don't want to admit that to a girl that has improved greatly in a couple of years. Here the WWE had a great opportunity to make changes & humble beginnings with this girl, only for fans to continue to neglect her. And people have been saying "Oh things are going to change when Kaitlyn wins the title. She is the answer to the Divas division."



That's the thanks "the answer" gets for her hard work?

Kaitlyn is now teasing a relationship with Cody Rhodes, the man who got a new t-shirt all because of how over his stupid little facial hair is. It's no problem to me now if that is what it would take.

Another example is the AJ/Vickie Guerrero feud. You had this very popular woman who is the GM of RAW, against a whining fat gorilla who has been shattering eardrums for the past 7 years. WWE thought fans just couldn't wait for the hero AJ to finally kick the shit out of Vickie after weeks of abuse. The fans didn't want to see how that played out, so it didn't play out & instead AJ turned heel & is Frenching it up with Dolph Ziggler. Yeah, way to go, fans, way to show how much you want to see women wrestle.

In an offshoot to WWE, you have a developmental show known as NXT. There is a big amount of focus to a female character on the show. That would be Paige. Paige is the most over Diva in the company, and that is a terrible thing to admit. But keep in mind that Paige actually has appeal and draws tremendous interest. This is why she is getting such focus and attention on her. She is why people watch the shows online & why people come to the events. There is no Diva on the main roster who can draw a fraction of what she can, and it's important that they need to in order to compete in more televised events. If 500 people in a college can cheer for a woman, why can't 15,000 people in a stadium cheer for a woman?



This is what REAL support sounds like.

So Paige is now being what I call a catalyst in NXT. She will serve the purpose to help the other women on that show get over, so they can be ready too when it's their turn to get called up. It starts with her & Summer Rae. Without Paige, Summer would probably still be a ring announcer.

Overall, the Divas Division is in no real danger, they still sign new talent, & most of the Divas should be content with the exposure & wages they receive. They still are needed on tour all year round & they still get to compete far more often overall than the KOs in TNA, and many of them can even afford their own homes thanks to WWE. Complaining about how a certain woman isn't on RAW is like complaining about how Brock Osweiler is backup to Peyton Manning.

So how does WWE fix this problem? The problem that the Divas lack serious interest from the audience? WWE won't just give them more focus or the show will tank in ratings, and they can't just find a way for fans to magically care. I keep reading comments from several crybabies about how they should sign actual Indy wrestlers, but that's not the problem. Sure they can sign a talented wrestler but whose to say fans are going to like her? They didn't like Gail Kim. They don't like Tamina, or at least they show they don't. And even if Sara Del Rey debuts next week, chances are she's going to be as big of a flop as they were.

Naomi has just begun to wrestle on WWE programming & she has been getting decent reactions from the crowds. That is good. It will take time for her to mature and to work her way up to the title, but as long as there are fans to support her, it will be a much smoother and faster journey for her. She is like Gail Kim in the ring, only that Naomi is 10 years younger, doesn't have an attitude problem, and actually shows energy and personality in the ring. I know that people are upset she is stuck with Clay, but she needs Clay. Without him, she would have no direction or character to build around.

Paige is the company's long term solution. She is young and has a lot of time ahead of her, but she's still not old enough to compete on TV yet. I say that she will be ready about 6 months after she turns 21. In that time, she can legitimize more women in NXT so they can be ready for the main roster too. However, she herself may need to start from the bottom up, for just because she is young & good at wrestling doesn't guarantee her to be the next Trish Stratus. She would have to prove that she deserves the people's attention but I wouldn't worry about that. For now, she just needs to stay out of trouble. That's all she must do for now.

It has been several months since former Knockout and developmental prospect Angelina Love left TNA on her own terms. If the rumors are true, she is waiting until WWE is ready to sign former TNA talent again. She is 31 years old, but it's not like she hasn't been in a similar situation in TNA, where she was one of the KOs that put the division on the map. With that said, she has more likelihood of getting over on WWE programming than Paige, & she definitely has tons of experience in the ring & in front of the camera, so she is considered a short-term solution. She is more than willing & ready to lead the division & could open many doors for women for as long as she lasts, maybe 5 more years.

There is even a more surefire option than Angelina, and that is re-signing Kharma. Kharma was one of Triple H's first signed talents. There are very many setbacks to her. She is 35 years old, is a psychological burden, & was very uncooperative during her training to return. However, she was extremely over without even competing in a match, and it had to really upset WWE that she had to be away for a long period of time. I don't know if or when she will return, but if she does, I doubt it would be for very long.

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Updated 02-28-2013 at 09:10 AM by OneTimePosterShorry

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  1. OneTimePosterShorry's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    I'm sorry but you're just dead wrong. Booking DOES work to get people over. Did anyone give a damn about Ryan Reeves? Nope. Then he comes back as Ryback a dominant monster who they give a silly catch phrase to. He crushes multiple opponents at once. Many in the IWC hate him, but he's over.
    Uh Skip, rather was part of Nexus the huge flop stable & Skip was out of action for nearly 2 years due to injury. Tensai was booked nearly the same way & returned the same time Ryback did. & I thought they really did a good job with him & he did a good job with his character, but he still flopped. You can do a really good at your job and the interest can be extremely high or not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    Do you really think anyone gets over on their own? CM Punk didn't get over on his own. WWE had to give him chances to talk and chances to compete in high profile matches and win those high profile matches to look like he's more impressive. Had they jobbed him out and not let him ever touch a mic the amount of personality he has would mean nothing.
    Punk actually was pretty much over throughout his WWE career, sans a dead period when he had to be on Smackdown. He gotten his first shirt within months of his debut, & was on WWECW at the time, practically the only WWECW guy to get a shirt. Because he was over that brought him up the ladder to compete with the main eventers. If nobody cared for him then he would have been long gone.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    Just putting two women in the ring for a long time isn't the solution. You have to have women who can wrestle!!
    Watch Beth vs Tamina at Elimination Chamber 2012, then say that again. or infact watch Beth & Gail's Superstars match on YouTube. The crowds don't really care how much talent women have.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    Even before the wrestling, you have to give them gimmicks that are unique and have a chance to gain some fan appreciation. What gimmicks exactly do they have in WWE?? That the women are hot and skinny. Oh or that they fart. Yes that's sure to be a winner. Hotness can be a factor but do you think anyone respects them more because they are beautiful?
    AJ is a psycho nerd girl, Kaitlyn is a muscular pop culture fanatic, Layla is an eccentric goofball, Tamina is an intimidating offspring of the Superfly, Cameron & Naomi are funk/soul dancers, Alicia is an over the top fashionista, Aksana is an edgy, lustful European, & Natalya just simply is marketed to children since she is attached to Khali & appears frequently on Saturday Morning Slam. Not that it's a bad thing; she loves children. The farting was to make her a character that tries to overcome her weaknesses, but was scrapped shortly, unlike gee I don't know, Angelina Love who had to play a walking fart up until her departure?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    Let's think about some famous women in WWE that got over. Sable got ridiculously over mostly for being hot but also for being wild. Chyna "The 9th Wonder of the World" got over for being a beast of a woman and being able to wrestle the men. Lita got over for being the high flyer with the punk rockness of the Hardys. Trish Stratus had a cowgirl gimmick. Molly Holly to an extent was over for a superhero gimmick. Now what about the women today.....okay I remember Beth Phoenix before she left was dubbed "The Glamazon" but what did that really mean?? Monikers are not gimmicks. Who did get over?? AJ Lee who had a gimmick of a mentally unstable girl. Gimmicks work.
    Okay you're just giving me lists of past women with gimmicks just like I gave a list of current women with gimmicks. The difference is that fans wanted to see more of them because they had the taste & appreciation for those women back then.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    And lastly, are you really criticizing TNA for having Tiffany as a referee? Who the F cares about a referee??
    No. I am not.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV123
    WWE has booked half or no assedly for years with the women...yes not "divas." That's why they get no reaction.
    & that makes no sense. I actually addressed how that is false in the blog entry. If you would have read it you would understand that fan interest is how WWE makes its dough. People cheer for who they like, not what's "booked right". That is called "taste".
    Updated 03-01-2013 at 03:36 PM by OneTimePosterShorry
  2. Mckenzie's Avatar
    The fact that people still talk about the Division and still acknowledge even if they want to make changes to it or do away it. Either way, people still talk about womens wrestling and for that fact it should stay. All of the women are talented and people enjoy watching them compete. Its hard to focus on one specific area but the division is getting a lot better. WWE is striving to do what they can as they are making a diva search and already signed numerous women on nxt. So its not like the division is being ignored. People just need to stop complaining.
  3. LostOmega's Avatar
    I think the issue in the division might be that all of the girls are inequatable to the men. Chyna, Lita, and Trish all had matches against men (some of which they wom) and they were the most over girls in the company. Beth Pheonix was over for a bit because she did the same thing, but then she started jobbing which is why people stopped caring about her. I think everyone can see how talented Natalya is, but she's in the wrong time. The division needs to showcase women that don't take crap and can go toe to toe with the men, or at least have the balls to try. Almost all of the girls look weak. AJ at least got in the ring and got in verbal confrontations with men. It's why people like her as well. The divas need to get tougher and more aggressive if people are going to get back into them. The matches appear as nothing more than catfights because, well, that's how they're portrayed. At least at TNA, I can see Tara fighting some of the guys. Some of us say that the KO division is on the downward spiral because of the loss of great talent... who could work with the men. Traci Brooks, Awesome Kong, etc. I think one of the reasons why women's wrestling was so great was because the talent was perceived to be worth it. They aren't now, especially in the WWE.
  4. OneTimePosterShorry's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LostOmega
    I think the issue in the division might be that all of the girls are inequatable to the men. Chyna, Lita, and Trish all had matches against men (some of which they wom) and they were the most over girls in the company. Beth Pheonix was over for a bit because she did the same thing, but then she started jobbing which is why people stopped caring about her. I think everyone can see how talented Natalya is, but she's in the wrong time. The division needs to showcase women that don't take crap and can go toe to toe with the men, or at least have the balls to try. Almost all of the girls look weak. AJ at least got in the ring and got in verbal confrontations with men. It's why people like her as well. The divas need to get tougher and more aggressive if people are going to get back into them. The matches appear as nothing more than catfights because, well, that's how they're portrayed. At least at TNA, I can see Tara fighting some of the guys. Some of us say that the KO division is on the downward spiral because of the loss of great talent... who could work with the men. Traci Brooks, Awesome Kong, etc. I think one of the reasons why women's wrestling was so great was because the talent was perceived to be worth it. They aren't now, especially in the WWE.
    Well this is 2013, where man on woman violence is intolerable.
  5. LostOmega's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by OneTimePosterShorry
    Well this is 2013, where man on woman violence is intolerable.
    Well yhey don't necessarliy have to fight with men. Kharma came along and just plowed through all the divas and was over without trying. The divas need to be portrayed as strong tough women, not flimsy, ditsy divas. The women in TNA don't fight men but it's obvious they can hold their own.
  6. OneTimePosterShorry's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LostOmega
    Well yhey don't necessarliy have to fight with men. Kharma came along and just plowed through all the divas and was over without trying. The divas need to be portrayed as strong tough women, not flimsy, ditsy divas. The women in TNA don't fight men but it's obvious they can hold their own.
    They're tough. Kaitlyn, Natalya, Tamina, & Aksana are strong ladies that have several moves that demonstrate their strength. AJ, Alicia, & Naomi are more stylish when it comes to moves.

    Oh you do know that most of those KOs used to come from WWE.
  7. samisevil777's Avatar
    The divas are not over because the divas are. Why are not over? Lack of TV time,character development and the wow factor to their matches.Solutions are simple more character development, give the fans a reason to hate the heel and cheer the face.
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