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WBC Series #12: The Finale

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What is up guys? So, after some deliberation, I decided to put an end to the main series. The reasoning, is a few different ones. The main series isn't getting as much traffic as the top 5 is, and I came up with a new blog series with a friend on EWN, you all may know of, DK Wrestling Savior, that'll be debuting soon. So, this is the finale. The champ, Renevious, has the chance to go out on the top, but his challenger, his challenger has the chance to take him down once and for all. When WBC originally was started by Mr Boss, I became the first champ, and Ren was the first guy to beat me, so I felt it was appropriate for the two of us to duke it out. With this being the finale, I figured the best topic would be the World Heavyweight and WWE Championships. So, without further adieu, here is Ren's blog.

Renevious

What's up guys? Renevious here again for what seems to be the last time. It's been a good run, and I loved writing for you guys. But it looks like this will be my last title defense of the WBC Main Series. For this one we're going back to the beginning of me against my boy Bear. We'll be talking about the WWE and World Heavyweight Championships. With that being said, let's get to the questions...

Who do you think has been the best WWE Champion?
I'm not sure if this question has an understood time frame attached to it or if it means of all time, so I'm going to assume he means of recent or current times. First of all, the guys from back in the Attitude Era and before cannot be compared to the champions of today. It just wouldn't be fair. Austin, Hart, Warrior, Hogan, HBK, HHH, Savage, Rock, Foley, etc. all seemed to have more impact on the business than anyone today. If you look at today, the top champions have been guys like Randy Orton, CM Punk, and John Cena. While John Cena (like him or not) has done a great job of being the face of the company for years, I personally prefer CM Punk because to me he represents more of a pure wrestler. I threw Orton in there because he's super over with the crowds, but I can't stand the sight of him. To me, everything he does is boring, played out, and even more predictable than Cena. And even though I don't dislike Cena like most of the "smarks" on this site, he does get shoved down our throats just a little too much. So all in all, I'd have to say the best champion of today is CM Punk.

Who do you think has been the best World Heavyweight Champion in WWE?
I'm going to use a really bad pun here, but I gotta give the edge to Edge. Ever since the World Heavyweight Championship was adopted by the WWE, it has been treated like everything from being more prestigious than the WWE Title all the way to a belt that none of us really know why it exists anymore. But one man always made that title seem like it was the most important thing in the business. You may not agree with his methods of how he'd win that title (or defend it), but there's not a person out there who can sincerely say a bad thing about Edge, personally or professionally. He always held any title of his with the utmost prestige, and this one was no different. You contrast that with someone like Sheamus today, and you see why Edge is the obvious choice here. I'm not taking anything away from Sheamus as a performer or athlete, but how many of you actually see his current title reign as something meaningful? It looks more like a decoration for his action figure than an actual world title.

What feud do you think was best involving the WWE title?
Again, I'm going to go back to recent years only, considering that it seems to be the theme of this topic. With that being said, I'm going to have to go with the "Pipe Bomb" (God, I hate that term) incident/feud of 2011. When CM Punk went on his shoot and talked about how he was going to win the title and take it with him to ROH or NJPW, it really made the whole thing seem legit. And for once, it actually made us give two shits about what was actually going to happen with the title. Punk and Cena had an epic match at Night of Champions, and then Punk did exactly what he said he was going to do and left with the WWE Title. Of course, this was a work, but they did such a good job of it that it made it seem almost real. And Punk showing up with the belt at the WWE panel at Comic-Con was the icing on the cake. That whole situation was great, start to finish.

What feud was the worst featuring the WHC title?
To actually pinpoint what the WORST feud was is damn near impossible. There have been some pretty bad ones. But I'm going to stick with the one going on right now. I mean, who cares at all about this feud between Sheamus and Alerto Del Rio? That's rhetorical. I know the answer already. But the truth is, we have two guys who are very competent performers being forced into a feud with each other that has absolutely no substance behind it. It's like every week they do something to piss each other off, but it's just so bland and unoriginal that nobody cares. One week Del Rio jumps Sheamus and beats him up. The next week Sheamus "borrows" his car and messes it up. Blah blah blah. It's so damn juvenile and lame. They're going to fight at Summerslam, and the sad thing is that I don't care AT ALL who wins, just as long as it ends the feud and they move on.

Who do you see as a future WWE/WHC Champion?
The very obvious answer is Dolph Ziggler. This guy is a future world champion without a doubt. Cody Rhodes would be another one that I could see making it. He's not that big, but he's got a great look, superb in-ring skills, and he's awesome on the mic. Plus, it's in his blood. He was born to do this. I'd also like to see WWE go a bit old school and give a juice monkey like Ryback a chance to wear the gold. I know some people will say he's one dimensional and that he's an imitation Goldberg, but that one dimension he has is pretty damn impressive. Plus, I think there's more to him than we're seeing right now. Not to mention, what would be the point of being so ridiculously dominant if you never make it to the top? Guys like that need the validation of a title. Otherwise, it won't be long before the fans get tired of seeing him maul through jobbers. And lastly, I would be doing myself an injustice if I didn't plug this guy at least one time in every blog. It'll be some time before it happens, but mark my words. Damien Sandow will be a world champion one day. He is without a doubt the best pure heel character in all of professional wrestling today. I always say there are two types of heat in wrestling. There's the "nobody likes you and wishes you would just disappear" bad heat (circa John Lauranitis or King Mabel), and there's the "everybody loves to hate you and are very entertained by watching you get beat" good heat (circa Bobby Heenan and Mr. Perfect). The former is something anyone can do. The latter is a rare art form. Damien Sandow has that gift. And the WWE would be doing themselves a huge disservice if they didn't capitalize on it.

Do you feel the WWE needs both the WWE and WHC Championship?
No. Let me explain. If WWE continues to run things the way are right now, then no. They need to do away with the belt and only have a WWE Championship. However, if the WWE ever decided to go back to the days of having two separate brands (one for each show), then it would definitely make sense for each one to have its own champion. I, personally, am all for them splitting the brands back up and treating each show like a completely separate entity, but I don't realistically see that happening. So, I guess the more realistic way to look at it is that there's no more brand identity, and because of that, there should only be one world championship, the WWE Title. And while we're at it, if we're going to do away with the World Heavyweight Championship, we might as well get rid of the US Title too. The Intercontinental Title was always looked at as the guy who was just a step away from being WWE Champion. And back in WCW, the US Title was looked at the same way but with the WHC. So if we're going to get rid of one, we need to get rid of both. No more dual championships that are supposed to be equal in prestige. We tried "separate but equal" in this country back in the day, and it didn't work out so well. Let's not do the same thing to our title belts. And while we're at it, let's bring back the Cruiserweight division. I know it wasn't part of the question, but dammit, I miss Cruiserweight title matches. They were awesome, and they could be awesome again.

Alright guys, it looks like that's going to do it for Renevious. I hope you enjoyed this one, and I want to thank everyone who has ever read any of my blogs, whether you voted for me or not. I'm going to miss defending my title every week, but you might see me again one day to challenge for the top 5 title. But until then, maybe this will give me more time to get back to my regular blogs. Either way, thanks again for reading. Hope you enjoyed it. God Bless.

A great blog from Renevious. That'll be a tough one to beat. So, without anymore delay, here is my blog!

Bearkg88

Now, before anyone asks, I wrote my blog before seeing any of Renevious, and posted it before I read. I wanted to be as impartial as possible. I hope you guys like this blog!

Who do you think has been the best WWE Champion?
For this one, I did a little research as to who has had the most reigns, the longest reign, the longest combined reign, and the success of their title run. I also included my own personal knowledge prior to looking stuff up. After some careful thinking, my choice is Hulk Hogan. He had a total of 6 reigns, the longest being for 1,474 days, and the shortest being for a day. Combining the length of all of his runs, he was the champ for a total of 2,185 days. Add on to that, he was in his prime. While Hogan was never the in ring technician that Kurt Angle or Punk or Jericho is, he had the ability to draw people in and just ooze charisma. This was also during the time when Hulkamania was running wild. I remember as a kid having a Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage plush dolls and wrestling with him. I remember hearing Hogan's signature catch phrase, "whatcha gonna do brother when Hulkamania runs wild on you". I think he has been the best WWE Champion in the companies history so far.

Who do you think has been the best World Heavyweight Champion in WWE?
Now this was the more interesting one, since the WHC has only been active in the WWE since 2002. I chose Triple H. 2002 was the time when I got into wrestling, just at the start of the HHH/HBK feud and their epic match at Summerslam. Hunter was cemented in my eyes as a massive heel when he nailed Shawn in the back with the sledgehammer. Subsequently, he was named the World Heavyweight Champ by Bischoff. Hunter had a total of 5 reigns as the champ, with the longest reign being 280 days, and the shortest being 76 days. Combining the length of those 5 runs, he was a champ for a total of 616 days. He had memorable feuds with Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Goldberg, and Batista. He was the staple of the Raw brand as the champ, and was the leader of Evolution.

What feud do you think was best involving the WWE title?
This is a tough one. I picked an overall feud, which would be The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin. This was during the time of the attitude era, which alot of fans are still wishing would come back, but, this was also during the time when Austin and Rock were in their prime. They had two memorable meetings at Wrestlemania 15 and Wrestlemania 17, and we also saw the heel turn of Austin at WM 17. Add on to that their other matches throughout the duration of this feud, and to me, these two really highlighted the WWF Championship when they went at it.

What feud was the worst featuring the WHC title?
I picked the Khali/Batista feud. Sometimes you can take two big guys, Batista/HHH, Cena/HHH, Taker/Batista and get good matches, and then there are other times where you get a train wreck. I remember the Punjabi Prison match between these two, and while the concept was interesting, the match was dreaful. Even adding Mysterio into the mix didn't help anything with this feud. For me, Khali is the one guy who should have never been champion.

Who do you see as a future WWE/WHC Champion?
Right now, I see Bray Wyatt aka Husky Harris, becoming a WWE/WHC Champ someday. When he comes back from injury, if they keep his current gimmick on him, he is gold. The dude is talented in the ring, and he has the type of mic skills that just sucks you in. He kind of reminds me of heel Punk from a few years back. Plus he doesn't fit the definition of a small guy like Bryan or Punk. If they utilize Wyatt right, within the next 5 years I could see him as a champ.

Do you feel the WWE needs both the WWE and WHC Championship?
Honestly, I don't think they do. Here is how I see the WWE would benefit right now. One main title, the WWE Championship, one upper title, the IC Championship, the tag titles, and a cruiserweight championship. Retire the US and Diva's titles for now, and unify the WHC with the WWE title. Yes, there is a talent pool where you could try and justify having the two main titles, but it would be so much better to have just one. Look at the matches coming up at Summerslam. We have Cena vs Show vs Punk, and Sheamus vs ADR. Now I don't know about you, but I am not a fan of ADR, and I don't think Show should be in the title scene. If we had just one title, we could see Punk vs Orton vs Cena or Sheamus vs Punk vs Cena or even some kind of fatal fourway. It would really accentuate the main eventers, and give the upper mid carders something more to strive for. Picture Wade Barrett, a guy everyone thinks should be champ. If there was only one title, and Barrett was built right and then won it at Survivor Series, imagine the impact of winning the most prestigious title in wrestling. So, I think one title is better than two at this point.

Well guys, that is my blog. I hope you liked it. Remember to vote for which blog you liked better/who you agreed more with/and who you thought wrote a better blog!

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  1. PhEonYx's Avatar
    It was kind of a hard decision for me. On one hand Renevious based himself on the more recent/current WWE, and bearkg88 chose to go back in time and somewhat establish his answers on an "overall" view of the E'. With that all being said, had Renevious based his answers on the same "overall" outlook, the outcome to this WBC SERIES FINALE may have been totally different.

    IMO, both of you shed a decent light, and battled out what you thought were the best answers to the questions asked. When it all boils down, bearkg88 gets my vote.
  2. Darkside Ron Garvin's Avatar
    I am going with Ren because...

    (1) Hulk Hogan is the greatest Champion of all time... But he was not the greatest WWE Champion of all time. WWE came about in the 2000s; a decade in which Hogan has not even touched that belt. I think if the question would have been worded different, I could accept this answer, because it would be right, but when I hear "WWE" the last names to come to mind are the Hogan, Sammartino, Backlund, Hart, etc.
    (2) Personally, Austin's feud with McMahon and Rocks feud with HHH were MILES ahead of what Rock vs. SCSA was in my opinion. However, it is perhaps the most well known feud of the attitude era. WWE Facts have altered My personal view on this because "World Wrestling Entertainment" came about in May of 2002. Once WWE "got the F out", Austin made a phone call in which he blamed creative, returned for a week, left again, came back to take down Bischoff, and then fought the Rock at WrestleMania 19. Technically, the SCSA vs Rock feud wasn't a feud for the WWE title at all.

    Now I understand, it's all my opinion and I am nitpicking, but I see WWF and WWE as two ENTIRELY different companies. One being based around wrestling, the other around "sports entertainment." If we are going off of the WWE (which actually didn't officially become WWE until 2011) then the majority of Bear's answers are disqualified. I know I could "assume" that this was an open timeline regarding all aspects of WWF history, but the wording of the questions dictate the time limit of being when WWE came about, disregarding all WWF history. Not being a dick, just point out some things I noticed.

    (3) I have voted for Ren in every one of these so far... Why break tradition on the final one?
  3. Renevious's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside Ron Garvin
    I am going with Ren because...

    (1) Hulk Hogan is the greatest Champion of all time... But he was not the greatest WWE Champion of all time. WWE came about in the 2000s; a decade in which Hogan has not even touched that belt. I think if the question would have been worded different, I could accept this answer, because it would be right, but when I hear "WWE" the last names to come to mind are the Hogan, Sammartino, Backlund, Hart, etc.
    (2) Personally, Austin's feud with McMahon and Rocks feud with HHH were MILES ahead of what Rock vs. SCSA was in my opinion. However, it is perhaps the most well known feud of the attitude era. WWE Facts have altered My personal view on this because "World Wrestling Entertainment" came about in May of 2002. Once WWE "got the F out", Austin made a phone call in which he blamed creative, returned for a week, left again, came back to take down Bischoff, and then fought the Rock at WrestleMania 19. Technically, the SCSA vs Rock feud wasn't a feud for the WWE title at all.

    Now I understand, it's all my opinion and I am nitpicking, but I see WWF and WWE as two ENTIRELY different companies. One being based around wrestling, the other around "sports entertainment." If we are going off of the WWE (which actually didn't officially become WWE until 2011) then the majority of Bear's answers are disqualified. I know I could "assume" that this was an open timeline regarding all aspects of WWF history, but the wording of the questions dictate the time limit of being when WWE came about, disregarding all WWF history. Not being a dick, just point out some things I noticed.

    (3) I have voted for Ren in every one of these so far... Why break tradition on the final one?
    Thanks for the support Darkside. It looks like I'm finally not the only one who interpreted the questions that way.
  4. bearkg88's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside Ron Garvin
    I am going with Ren because...

    (1) Hulk Hogan is the greatest Champion of all time... But he was not the greatest WWE Champion of all time. WWE came about in the 2000s; a decade in which Hogan has not even touched that belt. I think if the question would have been worded different, I could accept this answer, because it would be right, but when I hear "WWE" the last names to come to mind are the Hogan, Sammartino, Backlund, Hart, etc.
    (2) Personally, Austin's feud with McMahon and Rocks feud with HHH were MILES ahead of what Rock vs. SCSA was in my opinion. However, it is perhaps the most well known feud of the attitude era. WWE Facts have altered My personal view on this because "World Wrestling Entertainment" came about in May of 2002. Once WWE "got the F out", Austin made a phone call in which he blamed creative, returned for a week, left again, came back to take down Bischoff, and then fought the Rock at WrestleMania 19. Technically, the SCSA vs Rock feud wasn't a feud for the WWE title at all.

    Now I understand, it's all my opinion and I am nitpicking, but I see WWF and WWE as two ENTIRELY different companies. One being based around wrestling, the other around "sports entertainment." If we are going off of the WWE (which actually didn't officially become WWE until 2011) then the majority of Bear's answers are disqualified. I know I could "assume" that this was an open timeline regarding all aspects of WWF history, but the wording of the questions dictate the time limit of being when WWE came about, disregarding all WWF history. Not being a dick, just point out some things I noticed.

    (3) I have voted for Ren in every one of these so far... Why break tradition on the final one?
    Interesting points DRG. It does come down to interpretation. For me, the WWE/WWF is all just one company, and WWE is the evolution of the WWF. But, I do see where people could see the WWF as a different company from WWE, even though they are still one in the same. Excellent, well articulated point
  5. The Piper's Avatar
    Even though I'm gunning for Bray Wyatt to be champ soon, Ren's picks were just better. Even looking at the big picture, CM Punk is much more enjoyable than Hogan as the champ.
  6. VanHooliganX's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong here. Both good blogs but I agreed more with Rens then I did Bears.

    Still, quite close and a cracking good read lads
  7. Pearl River Plunge's Avatar
    gotta give my nod to bearkg88
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