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  1. kiltbill's Avatar
    Great stables have helped wrestling, but poorly booked ones have, and are still, hurting it.
  2. Dperk911's Avatar
    "heels get over by gaining heat from crowds" just like i said. Heels use heat to get over. A face cant use heat. Cause he would become a heel, a tweener at minimum. Like i said and put on bold in the previous statement. Any one can be put over. Faces just have a different way.
    I know my shit buddy. I said the same thing. All my statements will concur.

    Maybe you should fully read my comments. If you did without being pig headed and looking to bash it you would have saw we were saying the same thing as far as that last comment. I didnt lie at all.

    One thing i learned about you guys here us that if you dont agree with the mass your wrong. Lol i dont agree and obviously by some earlier comments im not alone. Stables gave become boring and predictable. And is hurting the e. A stable turned a former world champ to a tag team member and a lacky to someone who is being pushed now(jack swagger who in my opinion deserves a push to top heel status as well). But its my opinion.

    As far as this debate we are debating the classic good guy vs bad guy. When xpac was a face. Trips was a heel. Too different ways of being over. If they were similar characters or at least both herls or faces everything you said would be true. Because when they were both heels trips was way more over. Xpac was a minion. But at this time we are stating opinions.

    And as far as your not so witty, try a little harder, want to be an insult but didnt quite make it comment about my opinion nor being thought out, ive more then proven that my comment was well thought out.

    Bte im a trips hbk fan. Trips was never that guy until mcmahon hemsly era. A little during the corporation but nah. Not til his feud with test and stephanie put him over. Thats when he became one of the e top three. Until then trips was a upper mid card/ low main eventer. He got his matches but the mcmahon hemdley era made him the top heel. His dx tweener days had him and pac on the same level. Upper mid carders

    Quote Originally Posted by Bane of Balin
    As soon as Triple H denounced HBK on the episode of Raw after Wrestlemania XIV, became the leader of the group, and brought in the New Age Outlaws and X-Pac, the whole GROUP became faces. Therefore, they were ALL fan favorites (otherwise known as babyfaces). Yes, X-Pac was a fan favorite, simply because he was playing the role of a face. But that doesn't mean he was THE fan favorite, or even the most over out of the whole group. If ANYONE came close to being over at Triple H's level, it was Road Dogg, not X-Pac. Yes he may have been over, but he was NEVER the most over.

    You are making yourself look bad because you don't understand that OVER includes both face AND heel reactions. Heels get OVER by gaining heat from the crowds. Faces get OVER by gaining pops and sympathy/ support from the crowds. THEREFORE (if you are still following) OVER means the same thing, regardless of character alignment. If a heel is gaining more heat from the crowds than the amount of pops/support the faces are getting from the crowd, it stands to reason that the heel is more OVER than the face.


    You can not say that X-Pac was at ANY time in his career getting more reaction of any type than HHH was. I'm sorry, you just can't do it, because if it were the case then X-Pac would've been way more successful than he was. I love the guy, but it's a fact of life that you need to understand.

    I'll give you another little example. I am a MASSIVE HBK mark. I fully think that he is the Greatest Of All Time. Period. Backslash. Period. In-ring, he couldn't be touched. On the mic, I think he was up there with the all-time great mic workers. BUT I have to recognize that his 1996 WWF Championship run (after Wrestlemania 12) was a total bomb, that he didn't draw very much, and that he didn't carry the company the way a champion should. Regardless of my mark-ism for the guy, it just didn't happen at that point.

    The same goes for X-Pac. I am a fan of the guy, but it still isn't a fact that he was more over than Trips ever. Sorry. But not really.

    Giving opinions is all well and good. But spouting such "facts" as "stables sux cuz they gots too perdictble" and "xpac was fan fave mor than HhH no?" just need to be corrected.
  3. Dperk911's Avatar
    Heat is what puts a heel over. So there for you cant usevthem as the same term! Dont play with my words. Im not a little kid. I can play semantics also.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dperk911
    What????? As soon as xpac arrived he became the cool guy.

    Can we not say xpac was the fan fave? Trips was def the top heel. He garnered the most heat.

    But sean waltman upon arrival was the new fan fave.

    That counts as over to me.
    I see a difference in catching heat and being over. It seems as though you guys are using them synonomously.

    I see heat as catered to only heels. Anyone can be put over. Trips def. had more heat. But there were times when xpac was more over? At one point the top storyline on wee was the kane/xpac/tori. Yal dont think lol there are more kid fans of wrestling then adults. More kids were xpac fans over trips fsns which means xpac=over big time as tweener/face trips=over big time as heel. Trips just had more title matches... Which makes u think he waa more over. But there was a point when xpac was more over



    I dont see how im making myself look bad. All we are doing is stating opinions.

    And the point still remains about how easy it is to predict the outcome if a stable storyline you proved my point again. The top stable guy vs the second over one? It always happen

    I have not been a member if this group for long. But i always come to this page daily as a non member. Just never commented. You guys complain about the e all the time. About how easy it is to predict what will happen. An this is an example about what u guys complain about.
  4. body slam's Avatar
    Stables when booked correctly are awesome.

    The Lightning Kid I mean 1 2 3 Kid I mean 6 pac or X pac was nothing more than upper mid card talent at best. The only reason he got put in DX is because he was in the NWO.
  5. Bane of Balin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dperk911
    ^^^ did u read my comments about heat and being over??? I said exactly what you said bro. Heat is what puts a heel over. Everyone can be put over.

    Xpac was pulled out cause he was still battling drugs and hep c. In sure if pac lasted it be a different story.

    When hbk was kicked out dx was not faces. Tweeners at most. They were clearly heels but their antics placed them as tweeners strictly cause it was humorous and got them over(see how i used it) with fans. And of course the phrase "suck it". Trips didnt really get over until he went heel. Thats when trips got his heat and a push. For the record i hated xpac. But i couldnt deny the guy was entertaining as fuck.

    And my comments still stand. My opinion stables have effected wrestling negatively

    Ie remember wcw had the new blood vs the old millionaires angle. With vampiro and all them guys. We knew how it end. Ecw the new blood vs originals... We knew that... Vickie stable recently...laurenitis now.... Shyt everytime trips gets in trouble and he cant do it alone... What stable forms dx...what happens we all know.


    My point being we all know what stables are. What made the great stables great is that even though we knew they were going to pull of a cheap win, we also knew arn anderson will bust that ass and could get a clean one. And we wanted to see what will happen today with the stable. Now stables we know the script before it starts.

    If thats not teue idk what is
    The part in bold: maybe YOU need to re-read your original statement (that I even quoted, btw). It goes something like "catching heat and being over are two separate concepts, and you (meaning me mostly, I presume) seem to use them synonymously. So try not to lie about that next time.

    I have stated before that yes, X-Pac was entertaining. But that doesn't mean that he was more OVER. I think that Brodus Clay is more entertaining than John Cena, but that doesn't mean he is more over than Cena.

    Beyond that, you obviously have your (albeit much less thought out) opinions, and I have my more thought out opinions. There isn't much else to say beyond that.
  6. Dperk911's Avatar
    Lol we all know creative shoves who ever they want to down our throats. And creative doesnt alwayd go eith whose more "over"

    Ie to the iwc punk and bryant are gods and are over

    But to little kids super cena is more over

    So the e shoves supercena down our throats cause he is whats making money.
    I remember xpac being that guy. Trips seemed boring. Xpac feuds with dlo was more inpressive then trips and rock imo
    but i was a kid so thats who we wanted to be. Definitely not trips.
  7. Dperk911's Avatar
    ^^^ did u read my comments about heat and being over??? I said exactly what you said bro. Heat is what puts a heel over. Everyone can be put over.

    Xpac was pulled out cause he was still battling drugs and hep c. In sure if pac lasted it be a different story.

    When hbk was kicked out dx was not faces. Tweeners at most. They were clearly heels but their antics placed them as tweeners strictly cause it was humorous and got them over(see how i used it) with fans. And of course the phrase "suck it". Trips didnt really get over until he went heel. Thats when trips got his heat and a push. For the record i hated xpac. But i couldnt deny the guy was entertaining as fuck.

    And my comments still stand. My opinion stables have effected wrestling negatively

    Ie remember wcw had the new blood vs the old millionaires angle. With vampiro and all them guys. We knew how it end. Ecw the new blood vs originals... We knew that... Vickie stable recently...laurenitis now.... Shyt everytime trips gets in trouble and he cant do it alone... What stable forms dx...what happens we all know.


    My point being we all know what stables are. What made the great stables great is that even though we knew they were going to pull of a cheap win, we also knew arn anderson will bust that ass and could get a clean one. And we wanted to see what will happen today with the stable. Now stables we know the script before it starts.

    If thats not teue idk what is
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