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JUS10
07-03-2011, 04:19 PM
I would like to know what everyone thinks about this
Thoughts Opinions???

I personally think it is.

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 04:25 PM
To be honest.....I was thinking that way too.

WWE=WWF
TNA=WCW
ROH= more or less like ECW

But I guess the only difference between ECW and ROH is that ROH has better people on charge and their company will last long.

helmsley
07-03-2011, 04:28 PM
i think it does seem like that, but roh seems more organized and i dont see wwe buying it any time soon

CMRyder
07-03-2011, 08:35 PM
TNA=ECW

ROH= Not even on the map yet.

Necroyeti
07-03-2011, 09:00 PM
>implying ROH is anything like ECW was
>implying TNA is anything like ECW was
>implying TNA is not WCW2
>implying ECW was ever "on the map" itself (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean)

CMRyder
07-03-2011, 09:23 PM
>implying ROH is anything like ECW was
>implying TNA is anything like ECW was
>implying TNA is not WCW2
>implying ECW was ever "on the map" itself (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean)

The point is. TNA is about as much threat to the WWE as ECW was. ROH isn't even a threat at all or ever will be. However ROH will be a threat to TNA soon to come hopefully. TNA should never be compared to WCW, it can't be like WCW until it actually gives WWE a run for its money, but that'll never happen either. ECW got on the map after the invasion angle with WWF. And if you don't know what the term "on the map" means...Maybe try Urban Dictionary? Lol

nrb6304
07-03-2011, 09:24 PM
TNA=ECW

ROH= Not even on the map yet.

ignorance

Yeah I agree with the statement ROH is like ECW. This deal with CW is reminding me a lot of the deal between TNN and ECW. Let's pray for different results

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 09:26 PM
TNA=ECW

ROH= Not even on the map yet.

Uh....no.

ROH IS on the map. Its just not exposed enough.

Bodom
07-03-2011, 09:28 PM
ROH IS on the map. Its just not exposed enough.

These statements contradict each other.

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 09:30 PM
The point is. TNA is about as much threat to the WWE as ECW was. ROH isn't even a threat at all or ever will be. However ROH will be a threat to TNA soon to come hopefully. TNA should never be compared to WCW, it can't be like WCW until it actually gives WWE a run for its money, but that'll never happen either. ECW got on the map after the invasion angle with WWF. And if you don't know what the term "on the map" means...Maybe try Urban Dictionary? Lol

1st bold: You missed the point. ROH is more or less like ECW. The 3rd company bringing the "alternative". Which is wrestling as the entertainment.
2nd bold: What? I thought ECW was on the map BEFORE the invasion angle. In the early,mid, and late 90s.

CMRyder
07-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Uh....no.

ROH IS on the map. Its just not exposed enough.

Lol....That means its not on the map buddy.

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 09:31 PM
These statements contradict each other.

I get what you mean but I am saying....company wise.

CMRyder
07-03-2011, 09:38 PM
ROH is a great company. Just don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing it. It needs more exposure, hopefully the new TV deal with get it just that. Enough to scare TNA a lil is all I'm asking for.

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 09:39 PM
Lol....That means its not on the map buddy.

Not yet though. But it already had enough exposure because of the internet that made them on the map, I would say, "unofficially"

Necroyeti
07-03-2011, 09:44 PM
The point is. TNA is about as much threat to the WWE as ECW was. ROH isn't even a threat at all or ever will be. However ROH will be a threat to TNA soon to come hopefully. TNA should never be compared to WCW, it can't be like WCW until it actually gives WWE a run for its money, but that'll never happen either. ECW got on the map after the invasion angle with WWF. And if you don't know what the term "on the map" means...Maybe try Urban Dictionary? Lol

Oh, we totally interpreted the (vague) OP in completely different ways. I read "does ROH resemble a modern-day ECW by carrying on its spirit/ethos?" (my opinion: not really) whereas you seem to be thinking in terms of "is ROH a threat to the WWE?" (something which I generally don't give two shits about, tbh)

CMRyder
07-03-2011, 09:54 PM
Oh, we totally interpreted the (vague) OP in completely different ways. I read "does ROH resemble a modern-day ECW by carrying on its spirit/ethos?" (my opinion: not really) whereas you seem to be thinking in terms of "is ROH a threat to the WWE?" (something which I generally don't give two shits about, tbh)


Right, I'm not saying TNA or ROH are anything like ECW. I'm just Saying TNA is kinda in the postition ECW was in back then. On the Map, but barely, not to the point where it can scare WWE. And ROH is still yet to get there. I only want ROH on the map so I can sit down and watch it on Television, so it'll get more money, and then ROH could be GOLD. For hardcore wrestling fans anyways.

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 09:59 PM
I just hope that ROH topples TNA as the alternative.

CMRyder
07-03-2011, 10:09 PM
I just hope that ROH topples TNA as the alternative.

We can hope. As long as ROH doesn't sign past their prime wrestlers...they already signed Rhyno. Ugh.

Necroyeti
07-03-2011, 10:13 PM
I just hope that ROH topples TNA as the alternative.
It would be nice but I don't really see it happening. It's too niche a product right now, and changing things for a more casual-friendly one based less on workrate and more on entertainment risks pissing off the hardcore "ROHbots".

Without sounding too much like this guy (http://i.imgur.com/sv7kD.jpg)... If any one indy fed could connect with a mainstream audience given a chance + investors, it would probably be CHIKARA. But it's not like that will ever happen.

SilverGhost
07-03-2011, 10:20 PM
It would be nice but I don't really see it happening. It's too niche a product right now, and changing things for a more casual-friendly one based less on workrate and more on entertainment risks pissing off the hardcore "ROHbots".

Without sounding too much like this guy (http://i.imgur.com/sv7kD.jpg)... If any one indy fed could connect with a mainstream audience given a chance + investors, it would probably be CHIKARA. But it's not like that will ever happen.

Yeah that is true.....we will see how ROH goes when they start with their TV deal.

WWE=Entertainment in the form of wrestling.
ROH=Wrestling is the entertainment.

the-rocks-stunner
07-04-2011, 02:07 PM
to be honest.....i was thinking that way too.

Wwe=wwf
tna=wcw
roh= more or less like ecw

but i guess the only difference between ecw and roh is that roh has better people on charge and their company will last long.

czw>ecw?!?

SilverGhost
07-04-2011, 02:49 PM
czw>ecw?!?

Is CZW even relevant?

Necroyeti
07-04-2011, 03:29 PM
Actually, CZW has actually been consistently great this past year and a half or so, and they've really cleaned up their act a lot ever since DJ Hyde took over from Zandig. Nowadays, they only have about one deathmatch per show (except the annual TODs) and they're waaaay less blatantly dangerous than they used to be. Also, they have some really great workers on their roster these days too, as well as the fact they often book Chikara talent. Their shows are almost always fun to watch.

Most people who bash CZW either has never watched any of it, (outside of highspot compilations set to shitty metal music) or base their opinions solely off of Botchamania. It's a shameful thing, lobster head.

SilverGhost
07-04-2011, 03:38 PM
Actually, CZW has actually been consistently great this past year and a half or so, and they've really cleaned up their act a lot ever since DJ Hyde took over from Zandig. Nowadays, they only have about one deathmatch per show (except the annual TODs) and they're waaaay less blatantly dangerous than they used to be. Also, they have some really great workers on their roster these days too, as well as the fact they often book Chikara talent. Their shows are almost always fun to watch.

Most people who bash CZW either has never watched any of it, (outside of highspot compilations set to shitty metal music) or base their opinions solely off of Botchamania. It's a shameful thing, lobster head.

-wears a lobster hat-

That image that you put up with the needles just burned my mind....lol

Necroyeti
07-04-2011, 03:53 PM
-wears a lobster hat-

That image that you put up with the needles just burned my mind....lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/DJ_Hyde_sticks_two_syringes_through_the_cheeks_of_ Thumbtack_Jack_-_Tournament_of_Death_8.jpg/486px-DJ_Hyde_sticks_two_syringes_through_the_cheeks_of_ Thumbtack_Jack_-_Tournament_of_Death_8.jpg
BOOOOOM lol

But yeah, that was from a Tournament of Death show, which is the only time of the year where CZW is all about LOLULTRAVIOLENCE. That, and the Cage of Death main events. Otherwise, they're a pretty normal indy.

SilverGhost
07-04-2011, 04:00 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/DJ_Hyde_sticks_two_syringes_through_the_cheeks_of_ Thumbtack_Jack_-_Tournament_of_Death_8.jpg/486px-DJ_Hyde_sticks_two_syringes_through_the_cheeks_of_ Thumbtack_Jack_-_Tournament_of_Death_8.jpg
BOOOOOM lol

But yeah, that was from a Tournament of Death show, which is the only time of the year where CZW is all about LOLULTRAVIOLENCE. That, and the Cage of Death main events. Otherwise, they're a pretty normal indy.

Alright I'll check out CZW :)

Necroyeti
07-04-2011, 04:07 PM
Alright I'll check out CZW :)

Try Best of the Best X

There's a torrent on XWT called "Best of the Best 1-10" that is free-leech, just download that (but uncheck I through IX when you choose the directory on uTorrent.)

CMRyder
07-05-2011, 10:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQFkSFDpn8

Why I won't go anywhere near CZW. WWE does silly and childish things, but this? o_O Gimme a break.

SilverGhost
07-05-2011, 10:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQFkSFDpn8

Why I won't go anywhere near CZW. WWE does silly and childish things, but this? o_O Gimme a break.

I would watch this to replace the WWE.

Necroyeti
07-05-2011, 11:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQFkSFDpn8

Why I won't go anywhere near CZW. WWE does silly and childish things, but this? o_O Gimme a break.

1. Osirian Portal are not CZW wrestlers. They're from CHIKARA, and have made appearances in many feds.

2. It's hardly a common complaint... I mean, this sequence got super over with the crowd, and just as over on the internet. (over a million views + news coverage?)

3. The difference between this and WWE's "childish" segments is that it was spontaneous, as opposed to "OKAY NXT ROOKIES SHOW US UR DANCE SKILLZ, YOU TOO MICHAEL COLE". And everyone involved in that clip was clearly having fun with it, and it shows.

4. If you'd never touch a promotion because of one little segment like that, then you'd better stay away from CHIKARA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKK3Tu2IAU)... and PWG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cby0bFv49ic).... and DGUSA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9OdIFnnwk).... and just (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiC2jIboHIc) about every (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68c3-0j6RU) single wrestling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNEfv21ICec) promotion ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhBy-NTGGo). Like it or not, comedy schtick is an inescapable thing in wrestling. (Even the normally super serious ROH has the likes of Colt Cabana and Grizzly Redwood doing comic relief)

5. If it's *only* the Osirian Portal hypnosis thing that offends you... then you might like to know that Amasis (the black guy in the pharaoh mask) recently had to retire from professional wrestling. So you'll likely never see that spot again.

6. Lighten up :) :) :)

CMRyder
07-06-2011, 12:28 AM
1. Osirian Portal are not CZW wrestlers. They're from CHIKARA, and have made appearances in many feds.

2. It's hardly a common complaint... I mean, this sequence got super over with the crowd, and just as over on the internet. (over a million views + news coverage?)

3. The difference between this and WWE's "childish" segments is that it was spontaneous, as opposed to "OKAY NXT ROOKIES SHOW US UR DANCE SKILLZ, YOU TOO MICHAEL COLE". And everyone involved in that clip was clearly having fun with it, and it shows.

4. If you'd never touch a promotion because of one little segment like that, then you'd better stay away from CHIKARA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKK3Tu2IAU)... and PWG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cby0bFv49ic).... and DGUSA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or9OdIFnnwk).... and just (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiC2jIboHIc) about every (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68c3-0j6RU) single wrestling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNEfv21ICec) promotion ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbhBy-NTGGo). Like it or not, comedy schtick is an inescapable thing in wrestling. (Even the normally super serious ROH has the likes of Colt Cabana and Grizzly Redwood doing comic relief)

5. If it's *only* the Osirian Portal hypnosis thing that offends you... then you might like to know that Amasis (the black guy in the pharaoh mask) recently had to retire from professional wrestling. So you'll likely never see that spot again.

6. Lighten up :) :) :)


I was just playing anyways. (= And Thats sad about the wrestler, what happened? Bad injury?

Necroyeti
07-06-2011, 01:24 AM
I think he was in a bad car accident or something and suffered some severe spinal injuries... But thankfully he isn't paralyzed or in a wheelchair.

Kashdinero
07-06-2011, 03:18 AM
Man. That is fucking depressing about Amasis.

Hypnotising FTW.

Edit: You tell 'em, Necro!!

68wPayne
07-06-2011, 08:22 AM
That really does suck about Amasis.

As far as ROH being the new ECW they do share certain characteristics (cult following, great wrestling) however because ROH has financial backing and television deals that actually might care about them and they aren't doing over the top hardcore wrestling thus extending their performers' shelf life substantially, they have the potential to be not only a great cult promotion and the "third choice" but could be the top 2nd promotion besides WWE in a few years.

HCollins-TNA1
07-07-2011, 03:35 PM
In a way I would agree Ring of Honor is today's ECW.... then again I wouldn't...
I mean they are very similar....
Small arena, armory/bingo hall/gym crowds.. Cult following... Small regional promotions that went on to being bigger things and grew bigger..
Then they very different...
In how they are run, and what they promote.... ECW was more about hardcore wrestling with different styles of wrestling.. ROH is more about traditional wrestling with different styles of wrestling...

Comparisons will always be made.... But all wrestling companies are different from companies of the past....

HCollins-TNA1
07-07-2011, 03:39 PM
That really does suck about Amasis.

As far as ROH being the new ECW they do share certain characteristics (cult following, great wrestling) however because ROH has financial backing and television deals that actually might care about them and they aren't doing over the top hardcore wrestling thus extending their performers' shelf life substantially, they have the potential to be not only a great cult promotion and the "third choice" but could be the top 2nd promotion besides WWE in a few years.

They do have a TV deal..... But it not the best TV deal....
Time will only tell within the next year or so if ROH grows anymore??? Wrestling has always been about competition with 2 or 3 or more companies battling... Be it AWA, NWA and WWF or WCW, ECW, and WWF.... today we have at least 3 or 4 companies in the USA that has a strong backing being NWA, WWE, ROH and TNA.....

WWTNA Mark
07-07-2011, 04:40 PM
I don't really like comparing TNA and ROH to dead organizations like WCW and ECW. TNA and ROH are there own organization that has potential.

HCollins-TNA1
07-11-2011, 11:52 PM
I don't really like comparing TNA and ROH to dead organizations like WCW and ECW. TNA and ROH are there own organization that has potential.

True comparing the past with now don't work esp for me.... I mean TNA is very different from WCW and so is ROH from ECW..... something people sometimes don't get..

WWTNA Mark
07-12-2011, 12:43 AM
True comparing the past with now don't work esp for me.... I mean TNA is very different from WCW and so is ROH from ECW..... something people sometimes don't get..

Exactly. Its like comparing the Nintendo Wii to the Dreamcast, well, you get my point. lol

PrimusSucks
07-12-2011, 06:28 AM
I think comparing the old to the new gives us something to talk about so why not do it. Anyway, the argument here is that WWE is like WWE in the 90's, on top and not looking back, even if TNA/WCW shows signs of catching up. ROH/ECW are where the lifelong wrestling fans go for the alternative, the guys who won't make it in WWE or even TNA because they are not "good" enough.

Juvenile Junkie
07-12-2011, 10:21 AM
I don't really like comparing TNA and ROH to dead organizations like WCW and ECW. TNA and ROH are there own organization that has potential.

True.Nobody compares SmackDown to WCW Thunder 2000,yet you might as well......

Juvenile Junkie
07-12-2011, 10:22 AM
I don't really like comparing TNA and ROH to dead organizations like WCW and ECW. TNA and ROH are there own organization that has potential.

True.Nobody compares SmackDown to WCW Thunder 2000,yet you might as well......

FPR Lord Wrom
07-16-2011, 08:10 PM
This day in age I look for anything that might resemble "Competition" against the "E" which is hardly Wrestling these days. Id still lean more towards TNA due to the Roster and TV but Im all about Ring of Honor these days. I dont need Sports Entertainment, I need good Wrestlers.

Vince needs to go away and concentrate on his recent orange skin breakout.

RagingBallsFTW
07-17-2011, 12:47 AM
I really don't see ROH as the ECW of this era. ECW was pretty much one of the three big wrestling companies/promotions in the world back in the late 90's/early 00's while ROH hasn't reached that point or even been considered for it. Yes they are the third biggest company like ECW back in the day but they are not competition to WWE or even Impact Wrestling. Do I wish this was a case, sure, I'm a ROH fan but gotta face facts.

HCollins-TNA1
07-17-2011, 06:58 PM
The thing is ROH got lot of growing to do yet.....
Sure they got a TV deal... But it no where near the greatest....
Sure they going 10 years strong.... But they still pretty small....
In my opinion the next year or so will be make or break for ROH...... I myself hoping they make it....

THE_CRIPPLER
07-24-2011, 10:42 PM
Point is everyone talks about ECW which had its moments and some decet players but lets face it.. ECW did not come close to ROHs in Ring product, not even.... ECW didnt have 5 star classics.... I cant think of many Great ECW matchs.... I can Think of alot of Good ones but not alot of Great ones..... Honestly the tripple threat in ROHs first show Blows away most ECW matches.

Promo and storyline wise, ROH doesnt compare to ECW where Raven and Foley were doing some of the best promos in Wrestling history...... they are way different companies.

Robareid
08-07-2011, 12:17 PM
I think in size of companies you can compare ECW and ROH. But comparing TNA or "Impact Wrestling" to WCW is stupid. WCW was bigger than WWF for a long time and TNA is so much smaller than WWE atm

Juvenile Junkie
08-07-2011, 12:24 PM
ROH is just an indy fed

Robareid
08-07-2011, 01:30 PM
ROH is just an indy fed

Most Indy Feds don't have a national tv presence roh will have, or anywhere near the following. Or for that matter the talent or a multi state, and multinational following and promotion area. So it may be an Indy fed, but it's the biggest one their is and may well soon be the number two promotion if their tv show gets a good following

HCollins-TNA1
08-07-2011, 01:54 PM
Most Indy Feds don't have a national tv presence roh will have, or anywhere near the following. Or for that matter the talent or a multi state, and multinational following and promotion area. So it may be an Indy fed, but it's the biggest one their is and may well soon be the number two promotion if their tv show gets a good following

The problem is they will lack the following..... Syndication TV isn't the best.... but at least they on TV...... They really need to look for a cable channel as well... get at least 2 or 3 hours on TV and expose the USA and the world to ROH...

Juvenile Junkie
08-08-2011, 07:34 AM
outside the USA,ROH is behind TNA and WWE

Robareid
08-08-2011, 12:00 PM
A tv show in the UK could be good for them, I know UK viewers will be able to see ROH on SBG online but getting on some freeview channel could do wonders for them. Impact is on like channel 40 in UK so not many people know about it yet it still gets about 400k viewers a week on first viewing and another 100k on replay I think. If it could get on a UK channel like Dave I could see it getting close to a million a week from UK.