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Juvenile Junkie
06-27-2011, 10:28 AM
Has anybody seen the videos of River Plate's fans going mental after they suffered relegation? Sky Sports,CNN and even our local broadcaster have shown the clips,jeez its like a riot in the old ECW Arena.25 people injured,players had to be escorted out the stadium by police,event he SWAT team was there.Seats ripped apart,stadium vandalised,hectic stuff.

I felt sorry for Leeds fans,cause their team was run by an idiot,I felt sorry for Parma fans ecause their club was a victim of the Parmalat scandal,but atleast they never aCTed like this,Atletico Madrid's relegation was somewhat comical,Juventus's Calciopoli enforced Relegation was a big joke as the whole scandal is still up in the air,but to cause bodily harm and indanger supporters,the press,players is ridiculous.

even death threats have been issued to their own club manager and club presidant

Automatic
06-27-2011, 01:06 PM
Well the fans in South America are a bit more temperamentfull, but that's offcourse no excuse for this animalistic behaviour.

Leggo
06-27-2011, 01:15 PM
I heard about the relegation play off on the radio. I'm a bit unsure of the rules, but doesn't it take like 3 years and a relegation playoff to settle it. RP are a massive club, and I'm sure they'll bounce back

Juvenile Junkie
06-27-2011, 02:15 PM
ya they teams with the lowest points after 3 years are relegated.....

Leggo
06-27-2011, 02:20 PM
ya they teams with the lowest points after 3 years are relegated.....

Seems a very strange rule, but it gives you a chance after the first season I suppose.

So does it happen every three years, then a playoff, then it all starts again?

Eg: this new season coming will be the first year of three.

Juvenile Junkie
06-27-2011, 02:32 PM
Yes,so they would be back in 2014.....

maar13
06-29-2011, 09:04 PM
WOW, I though it was lie here in Mexico that it was an annual thing, so you could come back in a year.

Damn it is a long time!

Juvenile Junkie
06-30-2011, 01:10 PM
And they have two champions per season,One for the Apertura(opening championship i.e. games 1-19) and the Clausura(i.e games 20-38,the closing championship),strange,very weird.

Man United and Roma would be the Clausura kings,they always finish stronger

maar13
06-30-2011, 01:25 PM
Yep, here it is the same, 2 championships per year and the relegation goes after every year due bad seasons accumulative percentage (?????---yes, I know, very, very weird).

Juvenile Junkie
06-30-2011, 01:31 PM
Well the Champions League can learn a thing or two from the Copa Libertadores.There are several things that if copied,would make the Champions League better.

maar13
06-30-2011, 06:19 PM
Like?...No disrespect, seriously asking, waht can the Champions league learn from the Copa Libertadores?

Juvenile Junkie
07-01-2011, 06:28 AM
Firstly,The winner qualfies as a champion,not as one of thier country's representatives.This means Sevilla would qualify as Spain's 4th team as Barca would be the champions,I like it,and lets face it,Rather Sevilla who play attractive football,have good players,than a team who lose all 6 group games.

Secondly,every season a team from Uruguay and 1 from Paraguay have a direct playoff with each other for a spot.Could be used for The Serie A/Bundesliga fiasco,where Germany got Italy's 4th UCL spot off co-efficient points earned from the UEFA Cup.You don't get a drivers Licence because your a junior Cycling Champion!

Thirdly,no country protection,every on is fair game.How do Arsenal and Inter represent their countries in anycase,they hardly have local players.

Fourthly,in the round of 16,the teams are all ranked according to their points in the group stage,so 1 vs 16,2 vs 15,3 vs 14,4 vs 13 etc,It means whilst you could win your group with 2 games to go like many teams do in the Champions League,your still competing to earn as many points,score as many goals,to finish higher ranked than other big teams.

fifth,winner of Copa Sudamericana(their UEFA Cup) gets a spot in the Champions League.In this case,we would have Sporting Lisbon in the UCL as Porto would be UEFA cup winners,along with Portuguese runners up Benfica,I would rather hAVE Sporting Lisbon than a no-hope team.tHE ONly academy to produce 2 FIFA world Player of the year award winners,in Figo and CR9.

SOme of these ideas work there because there are only 10 odd countries in South America as opposed to 50 in europe,but some of those rules would make a more competitive Champions League.

maar13
07-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Yes, actually the winner used to qualify as champion in the past. I remember Real Madrid once finished 5th in La Liga but won the UEFA CL and came back the next year, that used to be cool because no matter what, there was a defending champion.

On the second point, I like yours better than the actual system.
On the 3rd, unfortunately that will be changing the whole thing for Europe, why? because the big teams has a lot of people from other countries. Barcelona has the base for Spain National team and is the best team in Spain and in Europe as for the moment, but take Spain sencond's best team for example too like Real Madrid, which line up has more than 5 foreigners (Benzema, HiguaÃ*n, Kaka, CR9, Carvallo, Pepe, Lass) I mean from the second offense line they are all foreigners and like you said, Arsenal and Inter do the same. In my view it will be a really good option, but will change the frame nonetheless.

4th. Completely agree with you, that thing of the lottery to see who gets who is not really good, you want the best of the best at the end, so it is only fair to keep on winning so the can fight for the positions there.

5th. Not completely agree since both tournaments are pretty much played at the same time, for that the UEFA Cup will need to start way before that and you will lose the Super Cup game, which is actually a nice game.

But overall I like the approach you have of the tournament, makes way more sense than the actual system in my view.

The New Guy
07-01-2011, 02:07 PM
Well the fans in South America are a bit more temperamentfull, but that's offcourse no excuse for this animalistic behaviour.

No we're not!!!

I will kill you!!!!!

:)

Juvenile Junkie
07-02-2011, 06:32 AM
Yes, actually the winner used to qualify as champion in the past. I remember Real Madrid once finished 5th in La Liga but won the UEFA CL and came back the next year, that used to be cool because no matter what, there was a defending champion.

On the second point, I like yours better than the actual system.
On the 3rd, unfortunately that will be changing the whole thing for Europe, why? because the big teams has a lot of people from other countries. Barcelona has the base for Spain National team and is the best team in Spain and in Europe as for the moment, but take Spain sencond's best team for example too like Real Madrid, which line up has more than 5 foreigners (Benzema, HiguaÃ*n, Kaka, CR9, Carvallo, Pepe, Lass) I mean from the second offense line they are all foreigners and like you said, Arsenal and Inter do the same. In my view it will be a really good option, but will change the frame nonetheless.

4th. Completely agree with you, that thing of the lottery to see who gets who is not really good, you want the best of the best at the end, so it is only fair to keep on winning so the can fight for the positions there.

5th. Not completely agree since both tournaments are pretty much played at the same time, for that the UEFA Cup will need to start way before that and you will lose the Super Cup game, which is actually a nice game.

But overall I like the approach you have of the tournament, makes way more sense than the actual system in my view.

The no country protection means teams from the same country can face each other in the group stages and R16 of their tournamnent.

the 5th point jst means the winner of last season's Europa League would get a spot in the next season's UCL as a UEL champion

maar13
07-05-2011, 11:56 AM
The no country protection means teams from the same country can face each other in the group stages and R16 of their tournamnent.

the 5th point jst means the winner of last season's Europa League would get a spot in the next season's UCL as a UEL champion

Oh, I missundertood the No Country protection point and nice about the Europe leage a spot, that sounds really cool.

Juvenile Junkie
07-05-2011, 01:29 PM
UCL is a 3 country tournament,heck even Italy who are recovering from calciopoli are the most succesful country,bar Spain in the tournamnet since the scandal broke in 2006.

Pumpkinhead
07-05-2011, 09:30 PM
UCL is a 3 country tournament,heck even Italy who are recovering from calciopoli are the most succesful country,bar Spain in the tournamnet since the scandal broke in 2006.

Germany has Bayern Munich who is always a serious competitor, if we look down the big 3 leagues you can see that only Barca, Man Utd, Inter, Real and Chelsea are real contenders for the UCL, Milan and Juve are struggling to return to their glory days and Arsenal come up short everytime, Liverpool is restructuring their team

Juvenile Junkie
07-06-2011, 12:50 PM
Bayern have only had 1 semi appearance in 8 years.......