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THE_CRIPPLER
02-17-2011, 07:45 PM
The IWC has the tendencies to over rate some wrestlers just cause they are indy Wrestlers and think just cause there underground unknown to the casual wrestling fan, that if thye like them and overate them then they are smarter and cooler than the Casual wrestling fan....For Every Cm Punk there is a Wreckless youth (remember him, Didnt think so) and so on and so on... here is the top 5 Overated Indy Wrestlers by the IWC, people that would never make it in the big time and i dont even know why they are stars in the independants.



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5. BXB Hulk

He looks like the cover of a gay Japanese Porn DVD. He doesnt have much appeal, i dont se why The IWC is jumping on his band wagon, his matces are not that supburb to over look his pit falls.. I dont get the appeal and im not the only one cause he will never be a main star on any roster, hell ROH doesnt even have interest in him


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4. Colt Cabana/ Scotty Goldmen
I like C.C., I really do, he is a funny guy, he pulls out decent matches sometimes and good tag matches, he had some great stuff with CM Punk.... But the IWC gives this man too much credit.. Like i said he is a good Comedy Wrestler but he isnt a Great wrestler, he can not be taken seriously, he never really has, he has never even been a real threat to the ROH belt.....
He failed miserbly in the WWE and rightfully so, his WWE universe page was great but in the ring he just didnt have the look and the abilty, he is funny but then again Santino So is Santion, and honestly if let be Santino is actually funnier than C.C....
The point im making is, Colt Cabana is a fun wrestler but he is not this great complete wrestler that the IWC trys to make him, he is just what he is a medicore INDY wrestler with some personality and a out of shape look.



3. Roderick Strong

He is a good Wrestler but not a Great one has everyone in the IWC trys to make him, He looks like a 17 year that bags your groceries at your local Grocery Chain and when he uts a Promo he sounds like a "Little Girl Trapped in a Well"....
Sure he has alot of cool ways to do a back Breaker, he is inovative in some ways, he had some good matchs but he isnt great by any standereds, Never was and Never will be... He never make it in any big promotion.... He hasnt had that stellar of matches and a Work rate place like ROH should have a better worker on top of there Roster.... on the ROH roster there is several other guys that are much better Than Roderick Strong in every way that could hold that title.
Austine Aeries
Davey Richards
Chris Hero
Chris Daniels
The list goes on and on.... I never understood why Roderick Strong was so highly reguarded in the IWC and I will never understand why out of no where ROH decied to give him the title.
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2. Mike Quakenbush

Everythiny about this man Screams 2nd rate Back Yard Wrestler, His Look, His Attire, just everything..... He has been doing this for well over 15 years and he looks like he just made that outfit and he is making a back yard Youtube Video...... IWC goes on about his talent and how he is like a GodFather of indy wrestling but not once have i every heard a great Mike Q Match, or some amazing 5 star match he had, No never... This guy doesnt have the Talent or any kinda appeal to make it in WWE, TNA or even ROH. he has no redeming qualities... im begging for someone to please tell me why is this man so well liked, Hell forget about well liked why is he even talked about in the IWC.


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1. Homicide
He deserves to be Number one cause everyone goes crazy about how he should get a singles push and blah blah blah.... He looks like a New Jack rip off, he isnt a Great wrestler, Hell he isnt even a good one, He is a decent brawler at best..... Mic skills are lacking, Wrestling aility are lcking, He doesnt hve the look, the Appeal that why does this Man deserve a singles push or to be caled Former ROH Champion? and why did he End the Title Reign of the Great Bryan Danielson?. Is it cause he watched a Japanese wrestling video and stole a couple cool moves, Does that make him Great? Does that make him Worthy to be considered along the lines as the founding father of ROH along side the Likes of Cm Punk, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson and Austin Aeries?.... He is a good Tag wrestler maybe a ok lower mid Card in TNA.... But make no mistake about it TNA did the right thing by not using him they have much more talented men on there roster...... I have seen alot of Homicide sigle matches and none of them stood out to make me think he has a good workrate..... I dont know why the IWC backs this man up when there is so many better wrestlers in every aspect then him.

The New Guy
02-17-2011, 07:50 PM
wow
Great post THE_CRIPPLER
I think Quakenbush is my winner, the guy is dangerous and sloppy in the ring, can't talk to save his life
He's just mr no talent
I actually belive Cabana should not be here. He puts 5 stars matches, technically gifted, funny as hell. I believe he could've been great in the 'E, maybe as a commentator.
Keep this coming man :)

The Brown One
02-17-2011, 09:43 PM
I'm confused as to why the hell Colt and Strong are on the list.

The New Guy
02-17-2011, 09:46 PM
I'm confused as to why the hell Colt and Strong are on the list.

Well you have to accept that RS does sound like a girl when he cuts a promo
:)

Bodom
02-17-2011, 09:56 PM
Well you have to accept that RS does sound like a girl when he cuts a promo
:)

Strong's a solid in the ring, but he isn't very strong on the mic.

WWTNA Mark
02-17-2011, 10:15 PM
The only thing I have a problem with is Homicide and Colt Cabana being on the list. The rest are just blah.

Murphdogg4
02-17-2011, 11:13 PM
yes I do remember Reckless Youth, and he was amazing but sadly his high risk style made him retire before he could make it in one of the bigs.

68wPayne
02-18-2011, 12:05 AM
Before I even read the original poster's list Quackenbush popped in my head. Too many spot junkies in wrestling these days. I would trade a hundred of these spot junkies for a Jake the Snake or Raven, someone that knows how to put on a captivating match. It's not about spots, it's about story telling. I'm supposed to believe that these jokers miss a springboard phoenix splash with a triple lutz through a flaming barbed wire table that is covered with Rosie O'Donnell's dirty under-britches and then get back up a minute later and win the match. The reason half these guys haven't made it to the big time is because they don't know anything about ring psychology. That's why AJ Styles, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, ect. are in the big leagues. Ok, I'm off my soap box. Sorry if I got off subject but overrated indy "superstars" are one of my pet peeves.

THE_CRIPPLER
02-18-2011, 01:25 AM
The reason why Colt is on the list not cause of his lack of abilty, i enjoy some of his work (mostly backstage skits and comedy) its just the placement people put him in..... Im not saying these wrestlers have no talent, im saying is they get too much credit and held in much higer reguard then they should be.

I read a couple lists where people say if you were to convert a person to becoming a wrestling fan what match would you use.. and someone said "anything with Colt Cabana"... There was another Thread on here where they were talking about the complete wrestler, someone that has everything and Colt Cabana was also mentioned there too, When i think of Complete Wrestlers i think Of STEVE AUSTIN, HBK, RANDY SAVAGE. Not Colt Cabana, and i think Cabana Would agree with me if he read what i had to say .....

it is just that he is really hyped by alot of IWC fans as The next big Break out Star if he is pushed and i know that he doesnt have the abilty too do it........ Honestly i pick Kevin Steen Over Colt Cabana any day, he can do comedy and he can be a major threat at the same time...... No disrespect to CC but he def doesnt deserve his spot that Internet fans give him, he is very lacking in wrestling abilty when compared to the company he keeps.

THE_CRIPPLER
02-18-2011, 01:41 AM
The only thing I have a problem with is Homicide and Colt Cabana being on the list. The rest are just blah.

The Reason Why Homicide is on the list is cause i dont think he is a Great in ring performer, I dotn think he is Great on the mic and I think everyone overates him, He has a certain ammount of talent and he was good in LAX but lets face it to be the Champion of a wrestling promotion that prides themself on great in ring wrestler and to end maybe there best performers Title Reign is just dumb... I dont know how ROH fans accepted that and why was the IWC happy about it..... They whined and Cried when Homicide didnt get a push in TNA... but why does he deserve one? he screams indy wrestler in everything he does, and he doesnt have the Great in ring Work to back it up Like a Bryan Danielson or a AJ Styles and others in that nature.......

Its a crime that Strong and Homicide have ROH title reigns..... Strong is solid in the Ring, but solid hand doesnt give you a Title thats like Goldust being WWE champion right now for no reason, Dustin Rhodes is a solid wrestler but he isnt exceptoinal.... like i said Strong shouldnt have the title, im not a big indy wrestler watcher, so im no expert but i could think of like 5 people who deserve tha title more than Strong..... and some how there is much less buzz about ROH matches and great Shows since RS has been there mon, so tat just shows you.

Kashdinero
02-18-2011, 02:21 AM
I've been following all five men's careers for almost as long as they've been wrestling, and have been thoroughly entertained by them all. Granted, they all have their short comings when looked at from different angles, but what wrestler hasn't. I'm not saying that they would all make it in WWE (less than one percent do) and to tell you the truth, I prefer them where they are. As for BxB Hulk not being wanted by RoH, I don't think his contract with Dragon Gate would permit him to wrestle for them, so that point is kinda moot.
I personally love the Indies, and there's a place in my heart for spot monkeys that no amount of psychology could fill. But that just me!

I will say that Roderick Strong is not my first (or second) choice for RoH World champion, but his awe inspiring matches more than make up for his lack of mic skills and look. Also, just in case you didn't know Austin Aries hasn't been a member of the RoH roster in months.

As for Reckless Youth, I was never really a fan of his until he became "The Technician" Tom Carter, and he started to show off some of his underrated ground wrestling skills.

Lastly, these are my personal feelings and they in no way represent anyone else from the "IWC".

THE_CRIPPLER
02-18-2011, 02:32 AM
I've been following all five men's careers for almost as long as they've been wrestling, and have been thoroughly entertained by them all. Granted, they all have their short comings when looked at from different angles, but what wrestler hasn't. I'm not saying that they would all make it in WWE (less than one percent do) and to tell you the truth, I prefer them where they are. As for BxB Hulk not being wanted by RoH, I don't think his contract with Dragon Gate would permit him to wrestle for them, so that point is kinda moot.
I personally love the Indies, and there's a place in my heart for spot monkeys that no amount of psychology could fill. But that just me!

I will say that Roderick Strong is not my first (or second) choice for RoH World champion, but his awe inspiring matches more than make up for his lack of mic skills and look. Also, just in case you didn't know Austin Aries hasn't been a member of the RoH roster in months.

As for Reckless Youth, I was never really a fan of his until he became "The Technician" Tom Carter, and he started to show off some of his underrated ground wrestling skills.

Lastly, these are my personal feelings and they in no way represent anyone else from the "IWC".

but the point is not if these men entertained you or have talent is if they are Overated by a majority of the IWC.... and like i said im not a indy expert so i dont know all the roster updates and so on but i do know that RS doesnt belong has champion of ROH and he isnt that great in the ring as the people who preceeded him and Homicde is a whole diffrenet deal that i already talked about

Kashdinero
02-18-2011, 03:30 AM
but the point is not if these men entertained you or have talent is if they are Overated by a majority of the IWC.... and like i said im not a indy expert so i dont know all the roster updates and so on but i do know that RS doesnt belong has champion of ROH and he isnt that great in the ring as the people who preceeded him and Homicde is a whole diffrenet deal that i already talked about

To tell the truth, this place is the only IWC I read and there's, like, only six or seven posters that even discuss Indy wrestling, so I don't really know/care if they're overrated. All I can say is, some of the points you made about the five wrestlers in question's bad points are true.
I'll say this also, liking a wrestler to the point where you want them to succeed, and overrating them are, basically, the same thing, it's called personal preference.

Necroyeti
02-18-2011, 06:44 AM
If anything, Roderick Strong is an underrated "indy darling". Almost no-one thought he would win the ROH title at Glory By Honor IX, and almost everyone thought he would drop it to Davey Richards (a much more suitable candidate for being overrated) on his second title defense. And despite getting a pretty decent push in 2005 (winning Survival of the Fittest 05 and having a fuckwin hour-long title match against Danielson), he hadn't done much else of note until lately.... even in Generation Next and No Remorse Corps, he always seemed to be in the shadow of Austin Aries or Davey Richards. And he was a jobber in TNA. I suppose FIP (and maybe PWG) fans might think he's overrated, but otherwise he's nowhere near the top five on the indy circuit right now.

The other thing I take offense with is regardng Homicide: "he isnt a Great wrestler, Hell he isnt even a good one, He is a decent brawler at best....."
Yeah, true... if you've only watched the last year or two of hiis career, or his deathmatches. There's no way he should be undefeated in ROH right now, and hopefully Strong will sick kick his head in....
But back in the day, man, he absolutely deserved to be a ROH champion. He had great matches with many of the "founding fathers". (best of five series with AmDrag!) And decent brawler? He was a great brawler, and fuckwin deathmatch wrestler at one point - refer to his awesome feud with Cabana, and the ROH-CZW Cage of Death match.
Homicide is indeed overrated, but your reasoning is absurd.

My top 5:
5. Delirious
4. Jimmy Jacobs
3. Joey Ryan
2. Mike Quackenbush (this guy's popularity is a puzzle to me too)
1. Christopher Daniels
Female: Diaizee Haze
Deathmatch: Nick Gage

The Brown One
02-18-2011, 07:04 AM
Side note to Necro: If I'm sleeping and miss it, congrats on your 1000th post :D
BTW, have you made the EC contest thread?

THE_CRIPPLER
02-18-2011, 07:12 AM
His Feud was interesting with Colt and the whole drano thing was Awesome but the matches were not great, i mean they were ok........ Sorry Rodick and Homicide doesnt deserve to hold a ROH title i just cant see why they did

Kashdinero
02-18-2011, 04:44 PM
His Feud was interesting with Colt and the whole drano thing was Awesome but the matches were not great, i mean they were ok........ Sorry Rodick and Homicide doesnt deserve to hold a ROH title i just cant see why they did


When Homicide defeated Bryan Danielson for the RoH title, he tottaly deceived it, to say otherwise shows you wasn't really watching RoH during this (or probably any) period.
Roderick Strong being Champion is completely understandable, when looked at from an RoH storyline perspective.
If you don't really watch Indy wrestling, then you really have no place burying these guys, especially with some of the arguments you've tried to make.

Mike Quackenbush FTW!!!!

Quack gets my respect for the fluidity of his matches, his willingness to create new moves and change up his act, and for creating and maintaining one of my favourite wrestling promotions Chikara Pro. I know his look is that of a bog-standard Indy worker, but, for me, that just adds to the appeal of seeing this normal looking guy doing all these fantastic moves and submissions. As of late he has slowed a step or two, due to injury, but I'd rather watch a slower Quack in a six-man tag match, than the majority of those in the "big one and a half".