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Rich Cranium
02-13-2011, 11:24 PM
From the news and I disagree with some of them like Owen Hart and Regal but you decide:

"For too long, Triple H has received a free pass from internet wrestling fans, but we say, "No more!" Sure, he used to be great, but that was before he destroyed his body and moved on to destroying the careers of younger wrestlers. Folks these days like to say that "The King of Kings" makes people into stars, but wrestlers tend to either succeed despite the terrible, emasculating beatings he gives them or just disappear back into the midcard. What's worse is that he does it all with the same four boring, mechanical moves - a fact which goes strangely unnoticed by the world's Cena-bashers, who tend to love "The Game." If Triple H was as great as people say he is, the past 13 years of constant pushes shouldn't have just turned him into another Rock or "Stone Cold," it should have gotten him elected King of the Universe.

"And The Chaperone looks atrocious."

The complete ranking is as follows:

25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

Rassling_Fan
02-13-2011, 11:26 PM
I take offense to Dean Malenko, he was frikkin awesome. Also, I'm not sure how well we should take this. This is from the same website that in their "Building the Best Wrestling Promotion" put the Great Khali over AJ Styles.

Bodom
02-13-2011, 11:29 PM
Where is this?

Rich Cranium
02-13-2011, 11:31 PM
I take offense to Dean Malenko, he was frikkin awesome. Also, I'm not sure how well we should take this. This is from the same website that in their "Building the Best Wrestling Promotion" put the Great Khali over AJ Styles.

True as the majority of the people on the list were awesome! I understand Hogan and a few others but give me a break!

RomanFlare
02-13-2011, 11:32 PM
The complete ranking is as follows:

25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal


The fuck is this?!



13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

The fuck is that!?

Rich Cranium
02-13-2011, 11:32 PM
Where is this?

On the main news and it starts with this:

UGO.com has posted a list counting down the top 25 most overrated wrestlers of all-time. The ranking is topped by 13-time world champion Triple H, who was named Most Overrated in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards on three consecutive occasions (2002-2004), and again in 2009.

Bodom
02-13-2011, 11:33 PM
The list was clearly written by some lowlife stuck in the Attitude Era who's must be a mark for himself.

The New Guy
02-13-2011, 11:33 PM
This list lost all credibility not putting Cena on it.
And Hogan deserve #1 spot
And why the hell is Christian here? The guy is underrated for god's sake :(

Bodom
02-13-2011, 11:34 PM
On the main news and it starts with this:

UGO.com has posted a list counting down the top 25 most overrated wrestlers of all-time. The ranking is topped by 13-time world champion Triple H, who was named Most Overrated in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards on three consecutive occasions (2002-2004), and again in 2009.

UGO.com? ROFL

That explains everything.

Bodom
02-13-2011, 11:34 PM
This list lost all credibility not putting Cena on it.
And Hogan deserve #1 spot
And why the hell is Christian here? The guy is underrated for god's sake :(

Not to mention "Indy Geeks".

RomanFlare
02-13-2011, 11:35 PM
The list was clearly written by some lowlife stuck in the Attitude Era who's must be a mark for himself.

X-Pac is back! NOOOOOOOOOO.

Robstar
02-13-2011, 11:38 PM
I don't really rate wrestling fans opinions highly anyway. You could engineer any result you wanted in any poll you like

The New Guy
02-13-2011, 11:39 PM
I demand a recount!!!!!

RedDevilSativa
02-13-2011, 11:39 PM
wat a joke how could they disrespect owen hart like that that makes me so sad he gave his life for the buisness and thats how those so called fans repay him hes ten times the wrestler cena, mark henry,kahli are i cud of gone on but think you get the point

RomanFlare
02-13-2011, 11:40 PM
wat a joke how could they disrespect owen hart like that that makes me so sad he gave his life for the buisness and thats how those so called fans repay him hes ten times the wrestler cena, mark henry,kahli are i cud of gone on but think you get the point

Calm down. I guarantee the list is a shock list purely for attention.

Hulk Hogan still sucks.

Bodom
02-13-2011, 11:42 PM
Calm down. I guarantee the list is a shock list purely for attention.

Hulk Hogan still sucks.

So Matt Hardy wrote it?

WWTNA Mark
02-13-2011, 11:44 PM
From the news and I disagree with some of them like Owen Hart and Regal but you decide:

"For too long, Triple H has received a free pass from internet wrestling fans, but we say, "No more!" Sure, he used to be great, but that was before he destroyed his body and moved on to destroying the careers of younger wrestlers. Folks these days like to say that "The King of Kings" makes people into stars, but wrestlers tend to either succeed despite the terrible, emasculating beatings he gives them or just disappear back into the midcard. What's worse is that he does it all with the same four boring, mechanical moves - a fact which goes strangely unnoticed by the world's Cena-bashers, who tend to love "The Game." If Triple H was as great as people say he is, the past 13 years of constant pushes shouldn't have just turned him into another Rock or "Stone Cold," it should have gotten him elected King of the Universe.

"And The Chaperone looks atrocious."

The complete ranking is as follows:

25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

I vote this list as The bullshit ranking of the year award. I was lmaoing when I saw that Triple H was #1 and Hulk Hogan was 2nd.

RomanFlare
02-13-2011, 11:44 PM
So Matt Hardy wrote it?

I'm under the impression its a collaboration between Helms, both Hardys, and X-Pac (just cause).

The New Guy
02-13-2011, 11:45 PM
So Matt Hardy wrote it?

naaahhh
the article is to well written... So not hardy or hurricane

Androo
02-13-2011, 11:46 PM
One of the worst things I've ever seen!!!! Jst to name a few: finlay, regal, Benjamin, malenko, hennig, christian!!!!! WHAT?!?!? There's only about 5 that are reasonable!!!! I feel angrily ill now...no faith in humanity now

WWTNA Mark
02-13-2011, 11:46 PM
So Matt Hardy wrote it?

I think Kevin Nash wrote this.

RomanFlare
02-13-2011, 11:48 PM
I think Kevin Nash wrote this.

He's sneaky enough. Notice how Desiel sits at 25th.

AGEOFFALL
02-14-2011, 12:07 AM
I couldn't disagree more with the list but here's a question I have what the f#@k is ugo?

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 12:09 AM
I'm not a Triple H mark but I don't think he is overrated. He is shoved down our throats sometimes but which wrestler isn't? This list just down right stupid and must've been made by someone who doesn't know anything about wrestling. Although I do agree with Hulk Hogan being high on the list. He should've been #1.

evilgenius780
02-14-2011, 12:18 AM
Put Ultimate Warrior in front of every name there. All he was, was an entrance

RomanFlare
02-14-2011, 12:19 AM
Put Ultimate Warrior in front of every name there. All he was, was an entrance

1. Warrior
2. Hogan
2b. Goldberg

Bodom
02-14-2011, 12:21 AM
Put Ultimate Warrior in front of every name there. All he was, was an entrance

But it was such an awesome entrance.

AGEOFFALL
02-14-2011, 12:32 AM
Why isn't X-Pac on that list?

Bodom
02-14-2011, 12:36 AM
Because X-Pac was widely accepted as a joke?

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 12:41 AM
Because X-Pac was widely accepted as a joke?

Or maybe nobody just doesn't give a shit about him.

Bodom
02-14-2011, 12:42 AM
Or maybe nobody just doesn't give a shit about him.

Lol how is that any different from what I said?

johnadah
02-14-2011, 12:47 AM
25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

Practically this entire list is a load of garbage. Malenko, Hennig and Regal especially. Even worse than that, how in the blue hell can Shelton Benjamin be on this list? There's no one out there quite like him. I'm guessing the douchebag that wrote this list just named every wrestler he could think of and then threw darts with his eyes closed and picked his list based on where they landed. This is absolute garbage.

AGEOFFALL
02-14-2011, 12:50 AM
I just thought of another name. The Great Khali.

Lowki
02-14-2011, 01:00 AM
Hogan was kinda overrated but i think his impact on wrestling in the late 80s is often overlooked due to his spotlight hogging throughout the 90s and 2000s. This list is made by the same company that own (or are affiliated with) lordsofpain. Instant credibility execution.

The Brown One
02-14-2011, 01:32 AM
How the hell is this even news? Whoever wrote this must have been high at the time. Was there voting for this list, or was it just written by 1 person? Because opinions differ from person to person, and most, if not all of you seem to disagree with the list, including me. Heres my questions about the list, and my thoughts about them.
* Why is ADR on the list? Hes only been in the WWE for about 6 months, and has had the "lets throw you straight into the mainevent" push. Its happened before, so why is he on the list, instead of lets say..Goldberg, or Brock Lesnar? He isn't overrated, unless he was overrated before he joined the WWE.
* Why is Shelton Benjamin on the list? Shelton Benjamin is underrated if anything. This was the most surprising name on the list for me. Dean Malenko takes 2nd place.
* Why are "indy geeks" on the list? They are among the best wrestlers in the world, and have proven it over and over again. How is that overrated?
* Why isn't John Cena on the lits? Cena has been around on the mainstream wrestling scene for quite a while now(WWE), and has been hyped up more than ANYONE in the WWE during his career so far. Commentators talk about him even when they should be calling another match. He barely loses. He gets the most airtime on tv. And lastly, hes always in main events, even if the title of the company isn't involved. He should be on this list, and should be among the top 5. I'm guessing whoever wrote this was a fan of PG, and of course, John Cena.

ren
02-14-2011, 02:58 AM
what the fuck ? HHH is one of the greatest of the mic, and really good performer in the ring. Wich moron voted for HHH actually? He is NOT!!! overrated

yesimtbird2
02-14-2011, 04:06 AM
Sorry, but one of the worst actual wrestlers of all time has not even been mentioned yet should be in the top 5. Ric Flair! This jackass is a 3 move specialist in chop,flop and figure 4.

donthatetheplayer
02-14-2011, 04:39 AM
The list was clearly written by some lowlife stuck in the Attitude Era who's must be a mark for himself.

Funny Bodom... didn't you lecture me for using the term "mark" in referencing a group of wrestling fans?

Dont mind being told whats wrong and right - but seriously...

InfoWarrior
02-14-2011, 04:46 AM
i think we could all agree with a few names on that list, but to me it almost seems like someone just drew names out of hat, then drew number to rank the names at random.

awesomepratik
02-14-2011, 05:33 AM
how in the world is christian and shelton benjamin in this list????
The list is totally ******

HeelTurn
02-14-2011, 05:56 AM
25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

Well to the creater of this bull$hit list all I gotta say is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY&feature=related

SgtGohan
02-14-2011, 06:32 AM
25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/maxwell_smart__confused.gif

K-Jammin
02-14-2011, 06:48 AM
Christian? CHRISTIAN?!? would love to know what he's been smoking

WH Punk 26
02-14-2011, 06:51 AM
The idiot who did this list is well .......... an idiot.
he says the likes William Regal and Curt Hennig is on there because they have never won the World Title (Tho am sure Hennig won the AWA world title) but surely thats down to bad booking or the wrestler not drawing enough money so the company they are in will not push them to world title contender.

Tommy Thunder
02-14-2011, 06:56 AM
It's an insult to the careers of:
Curt Henning
Christian
Dean Malenko
Owen Hart
William Regal
Mr Anderson
Chris Daniels
Finlay
Sabu
Shelton Benjamin
Alberto Del Rio
Arn Anderson
to be included on this list!! A complete joke!!

WH Punk 26
02-14-2011, 07:10 AM
i really dont get this guy i'v just been looking who he put as the best wrestlers of all time and he's got the likes of Batista, Sgt Slaughter, Lex Luger, John Cena at number 10 and at number 2 Hulk Hogan i mean how can he be the 2nd most over rated and the 2nd best wrestler of all time and then he has the nerve to put Curt Hennig at 41. How can you have him 39 places below Hogan he should be 1000000 places in front of him.

Allison
02-14-2011, 07:40 AM
Sabu & Arn Anderson are NOT over rated. o_O

And Hogan should've been #1.

PrimusSucks
02-14-2011, 08:06 AM
Is everyone completely missing the fact that Gorgeous George is on the list, Wrestling wouldn't be what it is today without him, we wouldn't have entertainment, simply people walking to the ring and wrestling.

nature boy
02-14-2011, 08:16 AM
Sorry, but one of the worst actual wrestlers of all time has not even been mentioned yet should be in the top 5. Ric Flair! This jackass is a 3 move specialist in chop,flop and figure 4.

HEY! he also had the low blow, the eye rake and the delayed fall..sooo STFU!

vbirwin
02-14-2011, 08:21 AM
I'm not a big fan but how can Alberto Del Rio possibly be on the list of most overrated OF ALL TIME when he's only been in the main event for less than a year? How about giving the guy a few years to prove himself?

merhardt03
02-14-2011, 08:29 AM
So Matt Hardy wrote it?

ROFLMAO Bodom discovered the secret!!!
Seriously tho, this list is bs. Hogan is #1 , Cena should be on it. And yes, Christian & regal are underrated.

JoMo's Mojo
02-14-2011, 08:33 AM
How the hell is this even news? Whoever wrote this must have been high at the time. Was there voting for this list, or was it just written by 1 person? Because opinions differ from person to person, and most, if not all of you seem to disagree with the list, including me. Heres my questions about the list, and my thoughts about them.
* Why is ADR on the list? Hes only been in the WWE for about 6 months, and has had the "lets throw you straight into the mainevent" push. Its happened before, so why is he on the list, instead of lets say..Goldberg, or Brock Lesnar? He isn't overrated, unless he was overrated before he joined the WWE.
* Why is Shelton Benjamin on the list? Shelton Benjamin is underrated if anything. This was the most surprising name on the list for me. Dean Malenko takes 2nd place.
* Why are "indy geeks" on the list? They are among the best wrestlers in the world, and have proven it over and over again. How is that overrated?
* Why isn't John Cena on the lits? Cena has been around on the mainstream wrestling scene for quite a while now(WWE), and has been hyped up more than ANYONE in the WWE during his career so far. Commentators talk about him even when they should be calling another match. He barely loses. He gets the most airtime on tv. And lastly, hes always in main events, even if the title of the company isn't involved. He should be on this list, and should be among the top 5. I'm guessing whoever wrote this was a fan of PG, and of course, John Cena.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Glad I read every post before I posted because everything you just said here is pretty much what I was going to say (verbatim). Hogan and Cena are 1a. and 1b. (not in any particular order). Shelton Benjamin was, and always has been one of the most underrated wrestlers to ever step foot in the squared circle. Very underutilized. I DO NOT agree with Trips being on this list, letalone being the "most overrated."

merhardt03
02-14-2011, 08:33 AM
HEY! he also had the low blow, the eye rake and the delayed fall..sooo STFU!

Damn Right!

JoMo's Mojo
02-14-2011, 08:40 AM
It's an insult to the careers of:
Curt Henning
Christian
Dean Malenko
Owen Hart
William Regal
Mr Anderson
Chris Daniels
Finlay
Sabu
Shelton Benjamin
Alberto Del Rio
Arn Anderson
to be included on this list!! A complete joke!!

Yes. Agreed. So it's pretty much agreed that the men listed above should be stricken from this sad excuse for a list and replaced with others? Any suggestions? I'll start:

John Cena
The Great Khali
Mark Henry
Flair (particularly the Flair from the last 400 years) <-----That's not a typo.

Feel free to continue to add.

merhardt03
02-14-2011, 08:47 AM
Yes. Agreed. So it's pretty much agreed that the men listed above should be stricken from this sad excuse for a list and replaced with others? Any suggestions? I'll start:

John Cena
The Great Khali
Mark Henry
Flair (particularly the Flair from the last 400 years) <-----That's not a typo.

Feel free to continue to add.

Giant Gonzales
The Big Show
Sting

Theres a start...

HeelTurn
02-14-2011, 08:56 AM
How can the Indy Geeks be overrated, I have never heard of them and I assume Im not the only one, surely overrated wrestlers are ones everybody knows and who have been shoved down our throats despite lack of talent, or the fact they arent over.

Tommy Thunder
02-14-2011, 09:18 AM
Giant Gonzales
The Big Show
Sting

Theres a start...

Sting should NOT be on this list. And neither should Show. Don't you remember his early career? He was incredibly athletic for his size, and a great wrestler.

I'd have to put Goldberg, Ultimate Warrior, Batista and Cena on this list.

Shelts9192
02-14-2011, 09:23 AM
'25 Most Overrated Wrestlers' - by Shawn "HBK" Michaels
:P

But no, as a wrestling fan, I am very pleased to see so many of you defend legends (who should have been world champion at some stage), such as Finlay, Regal and Christian!
To put Shelton Benjamin up there to is ridiculous - the man had a few IC title runs, but lets face it - the man was fucking awesome!

As for Triple H being number 1? I disagree, and I've CENA nuff!!

JohnnyPhantom
02-14-2011, 09:27 AM
Ehhh, just as many people have said. How can Alberto Del Rio be on this list? Hes around 6 months... now if the guy said Dos caras Jr/Del Rio then so be it... but really!? Dude is gold in the ring and his push is just Sheamus-esk.

Its clear that this list is a farce, meant for each and everyone of us to get worked up. I mean clearly thats the case when we have guys on here who havent won the "Big one" or gotten some "shot to the moon" push that people were confused about.

Malenko: Cruiserweight Technician! Man of a thousand holds for a reason. (Malenko vs Jericho WCW Matchups were amazing!)
Owen Hart: How can someone who had his Career cut so short be overrated?
Curt Hennig: Yeah he was Mr Perfect but that automatically doesnt scream "Overrated" Never won the World title he deserved
Regal: Makes everyone he fights look great!
Finlay: Ughhh... What!? Same as Regal... he screams "Im out here to do my job and im lowkey AMAZING and putting people over" Thats why he snuck into so many big main event battles.

I could comment on each of these guys but thats just a few, because lets face it... most of these guys are just brainless choices for this list. Someone get on there soapbox and make a new list.

Bodom
02-14-2011, 09:30 AM
http://www.ugo.com/sports/diesel

I found the list, if anybody wants to read this for a good laugh.

Wrestling Rant
02-14-2011, 09:31 AM
We all agree that this is a complete joke but I cant help but agree with some of the names. Alberto Del Rio for one, I mean he isnt spectacular in the ring. Finlay is perhaps one of the most boring wrestlings I have ever had the mis fortune to watch live, pure snooze fest. Mr Anderson is sub par in the ring, but great mic skills. Iv also never seen what everyone sees in Christian, but I'm on the fence about him.

--Wrestling Rant

Tommy Thunder
02-14-2011, 09:35 AM
We all agree that this is a complete joke but I cant help but agree with some of the names. Alberto Del Rio for one, I mean he isnt spectacular in the ring. Finlay is perhaps one of the most boring wrestlings I have ever had the mis fortune to watch live, pure snooze fest. Mr Anderson is sub par in the ring, but great mic skills. Iv also never seen what everyone sees in Christian, but I'm on the fence about him.

--Wrestling Rant

Completely disagree with you my friend, but each to their own I suppose!

HeelTurn
02-14-2011, 09:42 AM
We all agree that this is a complete joke but I cant help but agree with some of the names. Alberto Del Rio for one, I mean he isnt spectacular in the ring. Finlay is perhaps one of the most boring wrestlings I have ever had the mis fortune to watch live, pure snooze fest. Mr Anderson is sub par in the ring, but great mic skills. Iv also never seen what everyone sees in Christian, but I'm on the fence about him.

--Wrestling Rant


http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcqa4cK0Pb1qbpfqoo1_500.jpg

PandaMassacre
02-14-2011, 09:54 AM
No Jeff Hardy or John Cena? <3

Christian does not even belong on that list. Until' he starts beating everybody on the rosters an getting his face on the main cover of magazines then you can call him overrated. I will be an E&C fan for life!

jcagosto
02-14-2011, 10:34 AM
Triple H is as overrated as Cena is.

Tommy Thunder
02-14-2011, 10:40 AM
http://www.ugo.com/sports/diesel

I found the list, if anybody wants to read this for a good laugh.

Just read the captions under all the choices, and some of the things said are ludicrous!!
I've just read the top 50 wrestlers of all time from the same website and I have to say, I can't agree with a lot of the guys put on that list either, or at least the order!!
And good job with the sig PM haha!!

THEKEVINBRAND
02-14-2011, 10:40 AM
So Matt Hardy wrote it?

yeah I guess Hardy wrote it when he was high on grapes! But whoever makes the "votes" on the WON Awards is stupid! It's a fluke, cuz it's from Dave Metlzer the cancer of dirt-sheet lies

CobraNightviper
02-14-2011, 10:41 AM
and why is miss Elizabeth even on this list she was a velet.

IPEEINTHESHOWER
02-14-2011, 11:43 AM
I think I speak for everyone when I say this http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8MeqPzxnMGu02uhUJXsuqkiaBAa3kn 9jgtpy0Wb78eGqPs9HfJg


As the old saying goes

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThDmKEiub3sZa3nWFjosDjkH1_2jKHK TzsahCC-dgbTdT47SNJWw


U MAD???

Automatic
02-14-2011, 11:53 AM
Is everyone completely missing the fact that Gorgeous George is on the list, Wrestling wouldn't be what it is today without him, we wouldn't have entertainment, simply people walking to the ring and wrestling.

I was wondering myself that too, everybody is forgetting 1 of the most influential wrestlers of his time.
But that list is bullshit so I suggest we just drop it, close this thread and move on.
But I can understand why HHH is first.

Rich Cranium
02-14-2011, 12:49 PM
and why is miss Elizabeth even on this list she was a velet.

Which proves the writer(s) don't know wrestling!

AndherestheJ
02-14-2011, 12:57 PM
Obviously this site or magazine, wherever it comes from, is just trying to make a name for itself by bashing many talented performers. There are some truths in it, but many named ARE really talented guys.

Also where's Cena and Santino on this list?

PrimusSucks
02-14-2011, 01:02 PM
Obviously this site or magazine, wherever it comes from, is just trying to make a name for itself by bashing many talented performers. There are some truths in it, but many named ARE really talented guys.

Also where's Cena and Santino on this list?

Santino? Overrated? What?

AndherestheJ
02-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Santino? Overrated? What?

yeah. He's a friggin' tag champ. Seriously?! He's a "joke" character. How about some talent as tag champs.

oh wait that would make sense. oh wait they don't have any other tag teams.............

Necroyeti
02-14-2011, 01:12 PM
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
http://www.bestmemes.com/pix/11109007.jpg

Guy's bang on about Haitch though.

In World Wrestling Entertainment, detail is crucial: it’s so important, in fact, that the McMahon family’s fingerprints can be found on virtually everything emblazoned with a WWE logo. A micromanager, supreme leader Vince McMahon works 80 hours per week, and obsesses over every aspect of WWE’s output. It is a work ethic he has handed down to his top lieutenant, the Executive Vice President, Creative Wrestling, Talent Relations & Live Events (could her job title be any longer?) Stephanie McMahon-Levesque. In WWE creative team meetings, Vince likes to brag what separates WWE from it’s competition, past (WCW) and present (TNA), is quality control. We’re talking McMahon family pride and consistency here: that’s what they personally bring to WWE’s product. To Vince and Stephanie, WWE is the commercial embodiment of the McMahon family, and that means WWE has to be just as perfect as what the egotistical father and daughter see in the mirror each day. Whether it’s RAW announcer Michael Cole’s tone of voice or the way Vladimir Kozlov sells or the ring entrances which are tailor-made for each star performer, WWE fans can rest assured that they are seeing and hearing exactly what the McMahon’s want.

Since all the facets of WWE’s image are meticulously planned and stage-managed from the top, insiders know that everything is done for a reason. Each detail contains valuable clues about the McMahon brain trust’s plans for WWE’s future. That’s why it should come as no surprise that a memo distributed to the media in August by THQ, publishers of WWE’s forthcoming SmackDown Vs RAW 2009 video game, has been the source of so much buzz and controversy in wrestling circles. As reported in last month’s issue, THQ laid down the ground rules for screenshots from the new game, the most scandalous of which will haunt Paul Levesque forever: “Refrain from showing Triple H in a losing/defeated/defenceless position.” The absurdity of this request bears repeating: WWE was so protective of Triple H that it requested no magazines publish photographs of the animated version of him appearing vulnerable. In a normally shambolic wrestling company like WCW or TNA, this would have been regarded as a fluke P.R. mishap, a quirky bureaucratic miscommunication or an isolated incident of vanity run amuck – not necessarily a part of some grand plan dictated from the top. Since this was a WWE directive, however, wrestling fans and insiders saw this memo as one more meaningful piece of evidence corroborating the near-decade-long conspiracy to shove Triple H down the throats of the fan base ahead of his co-workers.

The backlash online was predictable: words to the effect of “HHH is now holding down wrestlers in video games” were posted on websites and forums. The folks in Stamford, Connecticut certainly asked for it. WWE/THQ did not forbid journals from publishing screenshots of any other WWE performer “in a losing/defeated/defenceless position”: magazines can run a dozen images of Batista, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Randy Orton or The Undertaker getting beaten up, if they wish. The stipulation in the press release was just an extension of the preferential treatment that HHH has received, really since his memorable wedding angle with Stephanie McMahon, whom he had drugged and married against her will at a drive-through wedding chapel in Las Vegas the night before she was supposed to marry Test on the November 29, 1999 RAW (that, more than his first WWF title win on the post-Summerslam 1999 RAW, was the turning point for HHH: once he was linked with Steph and embroiled in a deeply personal feud with Vince McMahon, he had it made) Triple H’s win over Vince in the main event of Armageddon on December 12, 1999 – following which, reluctant bridge Stephanie decided that she enjoyed being married to HHH after all – set the ball rolling for ‘The Game’ after a rocky few months in which he had won, lost, regained and dropped the WWF title. On January 3, 2000, he captured the WWF title for a third time from Big Show and then scored back-to-back victories over Mick ‘Cactus Jack’ Foley at the very successful Royal Rumble (in a stellar Street Fight) and No Way Out events (where he supposedly ended Foley’s career in the Hell in a Cell), and bagged an unprecedented heel victory in the Fatal Four Way main event of WrestleMania 2000, then the biggest money-making PPV in wrestling history. HHH, who would deservedly be ranked number one in the 2000 PS 50 after working further blinders with The Rock, Chris Jericho and others had an incredible year commercially as well: the WWF made a massive profit of $68.9 million between April 2000 and April 2001, if the company hadn’t launched the disastrous XFL in Steve Austin’s absence (November 1999-September 2000), HHH was one of the top two names in the company (with The Rock) a position which he clearly warranted. But as good and successful as he was, many were growing to resent him . . .

In September 2000, Stephanie McMahon replaced the late Chris Kreski as the WWF’s head writer, and soon entered into a real-life relationship with her on-screen husband, while he was still going out with Joanie ‘Chyna’ Laurer (Levesque and Laurer split when Laurer learned of the Levesque/Steph affair) It is worth noting that even before the Levesque/Stephanie relationship began, HHH had ingratiated himself with the McMahons and obtained booking influence in the company. With head writer Steph as his new girlfriend, that influence inevitably increased. Before long, the gossip that ‘The Game’ was harnessing Stephanie’s creative power to hinder or torpedo his enemies’ careers while promoting himself to the detriment of the company’s best interests because accepted as common fact throughout the industry. Was it fact or simply a vicious rumour, triggered by jealously of his seven-figure-per-annum main event spot in the promotion? In a business filled with hypocrisy, lies, distrust and fluctuating allegiances, how seriously should fans take the reports about Triple H’s reign of terror backstage? What exactly has he done to earn this fearsome reputation? Seeking inside opinion, your writer quizzed several WWE employees, past and present about Triple H and his impact on WWE booking. The answers may surprise you. For a laugh, I contacted one WWE writer whom I hoped would be willing to contribute to this article but expected to declined, for reasons I cannot divulge. To my surprise, the subject of Triple H’s escapades backstage so deeply affected him that he sent me a lengthy reply in which he detailed Levesque’s standing in the company. Here is a reproduction of one section of his e-mail that I thought would particularly interest Power Slam readers. It is, as I’m sure you’ll agree, a revealing view of the WWE backstage workplace . . .

Necroyeti
02-14-2011, 01:13 PM
Continued...

“When I first started working as a writer in the WWE, this is the creative format that was used: we all pitched ideas to our respective show’s head writer and then they would e-mail a draft of the show to the full writing staff, Vince and Stephanie on Friday night. This would allow all of us to read the shows before the marathon Saturday conference calls that would begin at 9am and continue, on some days as late as 5am. But there was one additional person, who would receive the shows: HHH. His position as a member of WWE creative was never established, yet he had to get a copy of the show, lest we incur both his and Stephanie’s wrath. Curiously enough, HHH would never participate in any of the conference calls. His changes would be passed on to Stephanie. She would declare in a firm voice on the Saturday conference calls, ‘Hunter doesn’t like that idea, and this is what he wants to change it to.’ Then Vince would always say in a nice, soft tone, which was unusual for him: ‘Hmmmmm. What do you all think of that?” Brian Gewirtz, the notorious Stephanie and HHH lackey, would always be the first to reply, without a moment’s hesitation, ‘I think that’s a brilliant idea, Steph!’ in his Eddie Munster voice. Then every other writer, with the exception of one or two, would chime in saying variants of ‘I agree’ and ‘good idea’, etc. Then Vince would say, ‘Well, if there’s no disagreement, make the changes, Brian.’ Same routine, over and over, whenever it involved a change suggested by HHH. It seemed like a work to me: Stephanie firmly declares HHH’s idea, Vince acts neutral towards it and asks for our opinions, and then Gewirtz quickly kisses Stephanie’s ass, prompting everyone else to agree.

“This routine would never change, except those weeks when we had a triple-header work marathon (Sunday PPV, RAW on Monday, Tuesday taping of SmackDown): we would work on the RAW scripts during the day of the Sunday PPV. In those instances we wouldn’t e-mail the scripts to HHH --- we would hand-deliver them to him. Normally, the head writer of the show would give it to him, but occasionally that job fell to me. I remember being nervous the first time I delivered the script to the McMahon dressing room where HHH would dress (he would never use the locker rooms with the rest of the boys). When HHH answered I told him the RAW script was ready for his review. On the first occasion, he grabbed the script, flipped through it but did not read it, and asked me point-blank: ‘Am I f—king going over?’ This first time that I delivered the script to him, he did indeed win his match, so I said yes. Then he politely gave the script back to me without reading it and said, ‘That’s all I needed to know,’ and walked back into the McMahon locker room. A few months later when Gewirtz had another weekend off, I delivered another RAW script to him on a PPV Sunday. And it was the same routine. He nonchalantly flipped through it and said, ‘Am I f—king going over?’ This time, however, he was to lose his match via disqualification. He would keep his title. I said to him, ‘Well, sort of.’ Then HHH froze. He said, ‘What do you f—king mean, sort of?’ I said, ‘You lose the match via DQ, so you still keep the title.’, ‘What page?’ he growled. After I told HHH the page number this occurred on, he ripped that page out, threw the rest of the script to the floor in a rage, and slammed the door in my face. Needless to say, the next day during the agents’ meeting, the script had somehow changed and now HHH won his match – cleanly. This was hardly an isolated incident.

“Ultimately, it’s not HHH’s fault or even Stephanie’s fault, really. WWE is Vince’s company: no one challenges him or what he says must happen. I spent a lot of time with both HHH and Vince together --- in some cases, five hours a day, especially when we had to take Vince’s Challenger Jet from Connecticut to somewhere on the West Coast. And the fact is that Vince has no objectivity when it comes to HHH. When any of us writers come up with an idea, Vince would say things like: ‘That’s great! Why am I even paying these guys?’ and then laugh, while pointing at all of us strikers. In stark contrast, when Shane McMahon would sit in on some agent meetings, his ideas would be shot down by Vince. Vince was at his most human when interacting with Shame, in that he would yell at Shane like any dad yells at his son, but the yelling was always to try and make Shane better. With HHH, though, Vince would never publicly disagree with him. And with Stephanie by his side, he would accept whatever trash HHH spewed. After all, Vince would do anything for his baby girl. She would incessantly whine to him about putting HHH over, so Vince would do that for her . . .”


As incredible as this writer’s account of the backstage environment in the company might seem, his story is remarkably similar to others I was told in interviews I conducted with various WWE writers, producers, agents and backstage personalities for this article and for my book, Ring of Hell. That, to no surprise, leads us to the conclusion that the gossip about Triple H’s domineering influence backstage appears to be fundamentally true. In Ring of Hell, I quoted former WWE writer Dr. Ranjan Chhibber as saying that HHH once summoned him to a one-on-one meeting to personally advise him to abandon his friendly with then-WWE writer Paul Heyman, so he could instead form a new working relationship with HHH’s buddy Gewirtz (who had a long-running feud with Heyman). A WWE official interviewed for this article told me that HHH’s power is so indomitable backstage that, “If HHH tells a joke, everyone has to laugh. If you don’t laugh, you will be noticed and called out. It happened to me once, and Stephanie said, ‘What’s the matter: don’t you have a sense of humour?’ “ Let’s be frank: it hardly takes insider testimony to determine that Triple H has continually benefited from the sympathetic booking. While others are presented as vulnerable and occasionally silly, WWE for nearly nine years has ensured that the HHH character is always strong, dominated and smart, even when he plays heel. There are so many examples, stretching from the month Stephanie was appointed head writer in 2000, that it’s easy to come up with a list of incidents:

2000: Triple H pins Kurt Angle at Unforgiven to abruptly end the extremely over HHH/Stephanie/Angle love triangle storyline.
2001: Steve Austin, the wrestler who did more to make Vince McMahon a billionaire than any other, is demoted to the position of HHH’s heel associate in April and May. ‘Stone Cold’ and ‘The Game’ had never been close: this only drives the wedge deeper. Meanwhile, ‘The Game’ squashes rising star Jeff Hardy to remind everyone of his overwhelming superiority.

2002: Undisputed champion Chris Jericho plays the demeaning role of Stephanie’s poop-scooping butler and Triple H’s punching bag on road to WrestleMania X8, after ‘The Cerebral Assassin’ vetoes the original plan that Jericho and Stephanie are to have an affair behind his back. Jericho predictably loses the Undisputed title to HHH in a ‘Mania match which could not hope to follow The Rock Vs Hollywood Hogan, but is placed in the main event spot at Hunter’s request, so the image of him holding both title belts closes the show. At Unforgiven in September, HHH pins Rob Van Dam, another rising star. Sharp as a tack, RVD already knows what HHH’s game is.

2003: Triple H denies underdog Booker T a victory at WrestleMania XIX after degrading him with racist innuendo for weeks. In their match, heel HHH hits the Pedigree and waits 23 seconds before making the winning pin on Booker. Add ‘The Book’ to the list of people who resent Triple H.

2004: New World Champion Randy Orton is portrayed as a cowardly babyface, who dumps the title to heel Triple H at Unforgiven, just four weeks after winning it.

2005: HHH triumphs in the Elimination Chamber match at New Year’s Revolution, winning the title from --- yes! --- HHH, who had vacated it in November, so he could regain it and pad his own title record. (This is his fifth World title, by the way.)

2006: HHH and Shawn Michaels smash five careers with their senseless slaughter of The Spirit Squad. Meanwhile, HHH decides that no younger talent, who might potentially benefit from the association, are allowed to join him and Michaels in the reformed DX.

2007: HHH is pinned by Jeff Hardy at Armageddon in a textbook example of how to technically lose a match while burying your opponent . . .

Necroyeti
02-14-2011, 01:14 PM
....and continued

My sources also confirm the widely held belief that Levesque uses his influence to impede or sabotage careers of wrestlers he’s not even facing. Two WWE writers whom I spoke to for this feature --- who naturally insisted on anonymity before they would talk honestly about Triple --- offered specific examples. The first writer claimed that Tripper’s venomous attacks contributed to the exit of Mick Foley and Billy Kidman from the WWE roster. He told us HHH disparaged Foley whenever he appeared for the company, and diminished his value in the eyes of the McMahon family. “Foley is an out-of-shape nobody,” HHH was reported as saying “Funaki puts more **** in seats than Foley does. He should pay us for coming on our shows.” Meanwhile, HHH’s derogatory appraisal of Billy Kidman at an agents’ meeting resulted in Kidman’s relegation to former broadcast Velocity and eventual release from his contract in July 2005 (Kidman was later rehired as a trainer in Florida Championship Wrestling.) The second writer sagely noted that fans can learn much about the real HHH from the few televised moments when he has let his guard down. “Triple H is on tape in the Bret Hart documentary claiming he knew nothing about the Montreal double-cross that was planned against Bret.” Said this WWE writer. “He looked right into Bret’s wife’s eyes and says he knew nothing about it, yet many times since he has bragged about knowing what was going to happen beforehand. Something of a character flaw, don’t you think? All you have to do is listen to some of the promos he cuts on other wrestlers he does not like or feels intimidated by, such as the promo he cut on Chris Masters on RAW in October 2006 (in which he mocked the steroid-free Masters’ dramatic muscle mass loss) . . . He also once cut a promo on John Morrison (then Johnny Nitro) by calling him something to the effect of ‘Johnny Oversell’ --- not exactly the way to ‘put over’ your fellow wrestlers to help build the business!”

As touched upon earlier, this blatantly disrespectful conduct has raised the ire of many former and current co-workers of Triple H. (Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson had a long-running backstage rivalry with HHH, which was alluded to at the Hall of Fame ceremony this year.) In Issue 170 of Power Slam, the ever-candid Randy Orton revealed that Umaga’s initial response to his trade to Smackdown in the 2008 draft was, “Man, you know what? At least I haven’t got to deal with Triple H no more.” When HHH was also transferred to SmackDown from RAW later in the draft, RAW roster survivor Orton reported his response as: “Yes! Oh, my God, yes, yes, yes!” while punching the air. “I went right up to Umaga,” Orton continued, “and I was, like, ‘You’ve got to deal with him now!’ It was my favourite draft pick, to be honest with you.” That’s the voice of experience talking. At a June press conference to promote a WWE event in Chile, Carlito said: “My opinion is that (marrying Stephanie) was a smart move by (HHH). I think that’s why he’s the champion now and has been champion in the past; it’s easier to him. We, the real wrestlers, don’t depend on people in the business . . . Others are given champions (on) a plate of gold or platinum, (though) I’m happy for him.”

(Since Carlito is the son of Carlos Colon, Puerto Rico’s most famous ever wrestler, and was pushed immediately following his debut in his father’s WWC promotion on the island in 1999, those comments irked some in the profession. Nevertheless, Carlito does not receive special treatment in WWE.) Naturally, wrestlers who are no longer with WWE and don’t have to fear HHH’s reprisals are free to denounce the “son-in-law” in far more graphic terms. “He’s like Kevin Federline of professional wrestling,” said Scott Steiner in an interview with the Stranglehold radio show in May. “Being married to the boss’ daughter brings a lot of protection. These are guys up there right now who want to beat the hell out of him, but you know, they know they’d lose their jobs, so they don’t.” Steiner continued his assault on HHH in two interviews with The Baltimore Sun that same month. In the latter, on May 28, he told one famous story about an attempt by HHH to thwart Kurt Angle’s progress in the WWF which actually failed. Scott Steiner: “It’s no secret what Kurt Angle thought of Triple H . . . Here’s one story I got from Kurt: Triple H was trying to block Kurt from winning the WWF title, he said in a meeting, ‘I think Kurt Angle’s too small.’ And Gerry Brisco stood up and said, ‘Well, what do you think would happen if you guys fought for real?’ and HHH sat down, shut his mouth and they ran with it. Even Triple H’s former friend Monty ‘Billy Gunn/KipJames’ Sopp, for whom HHH engineered several pushes in the WWF/WWE, blasted Levesque in a shoot interview (his comments are unprintable in this magazine). The list of active wrestlers I’ve spoken with who have knocked HHH, off the record, goes on and on . . .

So, if everything unpleasant that’s said about Triple H is generally true, the question becomes: why? If the evidence for HHH’s behaviour is clear, the explanations for it are anything but. Paul Michael Levesque has every conceivable reason to be a shining, self-assured role model for good, selfless action backstage in WWE. Professionally, his position is untouchable: as Stephanie’s husband (they were married in October 2003) and father of two of Vince’s grandchildren, Triple H will have the booking committee in his corner for the rest of his career. With his stardom and political dominance so thoroughly established, Levesque should understand that there’s nothing undercutting another wrestler’s career can do to benefit his position or losing a feud can do to damage his character. The worst of HHH’s abuses make even less sense when reviewed in the context of the outstanding work he has done on occasion over the past few years. There could not have been a more selfless or effective way to elevate Batista than the manner in which Triple H repeatedly put ‘The Animal’ over in their excellent break-up storyline and later in their matches in the first half of 2005. The next year, Triple H lost to John Cena by submission in the Main Event of Wrestlemania 22. After the promos in the run-up to the match, in which HHH had unnecessarily belittled Cena’s wrestling ability, few expected that result on the big show.

Even Triple H’s burial of Jeff Hardy in December 2007 has been redemmed by his giving performance in the Elimination Chamber match at No Way Out 2008 and at No Mercy earlier this month. In these bouts, Triple H manifested some of the professional generosity and maturity that made his idol, Ric Flair, the ultimate “oversell and selflessly put over the other guy.” NWA World Champion in the 1980s. Furthermore, as a multi-millionaire and 39-year old father of two, one would have imagined that Levesque would have outgrown that juvenile impulse to flaunt his clout, just because he can. As a future inheritor of the WWE empire, eventually earmarked for his children, Levesque should be less concerned with beating wrestlers than using his own backstage and in-ring muscle to build new acts to safegyard the long-term profitability of what is his own family business. With this in mind, Triple H’s demolition of many of his most lucrative potential opponents over the years (Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, etc.) cannot even be called selfish, since it conflicts with his own personal, financial and familial best interests. Such self-destructive, illogical behaviour on Levesque’s part must ultimately be the result of some inherent character flaw: after all, there is no rational explanation for HHH’s record of power trips. One popular explanation is that, despite his amazing success in the business, Triple H harbours insecurity – that is, doubts he fully deserved the push he has received throughout this decade. It is a trait common among beneficiaries of nepotism.

A number of wrestlers, Kurt Angle and Scott Steiner among them, have claimed that HHH underminede their careers because he was secretly jealous they were tougher, stronger and more credible wrestlers than he could ever hope to be. If the true source of Levesque’s behaviour is dissatisfaction with himself that he redirects outwords, then he should be pitied: any wrestler who remains personally discontent after the prosperity Triple H has enjoyed will always be miserable, self-loathing man. “I don’t think HHH’s problem is so much insecurity as much as that when you get that much power, you use it to protect yourself,” continued Wrestling Observer Newsletter editor Dave Meltzer. “I think it’s what he was taught be (Kevin) Nash and Michaels.” As longtime fans know, they were both infamous in the 1990s for their backstage machinations when they were on top in the WWF and later, in Nash’s case, WCW. There is one more explanation for Triple H’s abuse of power, and it may be the most likely answer: Levesque is simply a disrespectful, power-hungry jerk, who does what he wants, when he wants and doesn’t care what other people think. Perhaps that’s why father in law Vince – a man whose on-screen character is essentially inseparable from his real-life personality – likes him so much. If that’s true and Levesque is playing the scheming ‘Cerebral Assassin.’ On-screen and off, then Triple H’s current and future co-workers will have to watch their backs, as Paul and Stephanie take over the family business. WWE’s future may or may not be bright --- but it will certainly be bloody with Triple H at the helm.
Powerslam Magazine.

Mr. McMahon
02-14-2011, 01:21 PM
lol @ this thread, people crying over someone's opinion, does it upset you that someone else doesn't agree with you or think the way you do? yeah hhh deserves to be number 1 on that list, no arguments, that is a thread for a different day

johnadah
02-14-2011, 01:45 PM
How the hell is this even news? Whoever wrote this must have been high at the time. Was there voting for this list, or was it just written by 1 person? Because opinions differ from person to person, and most, if not all of you seem to disagree with the list, including me. Heres my questions about the list, and my thoughts about them.
* Why is ADR on the list? Hes only been in the WWE for about 6 months, and has had the "lets throw you straight into the mainevent" push. Its happened before, so why is he on the list, instead of lets say..Goldberg, or Brock Lesnar? He isn't overrated, unless he was overrated before he joined the WWE.
* Why is Shelton Benjamin on the list? Shelton Benjamin is underrated if anything. This was the most surprising name on the list for me. Dean Malenko takes 2nd place.
* Why are "indy geeks" on the list? They are among the best wrestlers in the world, and have proven it over and over again. How is that overrated?
* Why isn't John Cena on the lits? Cena has been around on the mainstream wrestling scene for quite a while now(WWE), and has been hyped up more than ANYONE in the WWE during his career so far. Commentators talk about him even when they should be calling another match. He barely loses. He gets the most airtime on tv. And lastly, hes always in main events, even if the title of the company isn't involved. He should be on this list, and should be among the top 5. I'm guessing whoever wrote this was a fan of PG, and of course, John Cena.

Oh, my brother! TESTIFY!

thedag
02-14-2011, 01:48 PM
cena isn't overrate. he is carrying wwe right now. del rio is a huge mexican star. him being in the main event seen is no different then back in the day when a big star from wcw or ecw being push once joining. also for the people who say del rio isnt great in the ring go watch his mexico shit.

MATTHEW
02-14-2011, 02:00 PM
You girls are so easily pissed off! put your handbags away please and grow a set.

we know some numpty wrote this poll, so chill out!

go eat some grapes, works for me

ShockMaster
02-14-2011, 02:24 PM
I don't post here too often but I must say that anyone who hates on HHH must be foolish to have their opinions be based on stephanie or his minimal move set. That style of wrestling has been used as the base for any good wrestler with an attention span. I feel the attitude era might have ruined that style (what with chair shots and blood being on spam.) but thats an argument for another day. That list was definitely created from a group of marks that are more in love with stories then anything else. HHH held back mid carders while he was in his prime and could still go with the top guys in the business. Hogan did that in his 30's, 40's, 50's whether its in the ring or not and will continue to until he dies or something. Fuck this list for not adding in or even considering either hardy boys or edge. I love edge but he's definitely accepted by most people, fan or hater, as slightly limited.

rko619
02-14-2011, 02:24 PM
the writer of this list sux
disrespecting owen hart regal,christian mr perfect and others on this list

Lance Storm
02-14-2011, 02:26 PM
I take severe issue with 6-9. That is total BS! This is the worst fucking constructed list. Made by some guy who does not know what wrestling is. UGO is complete garbage. Cena is overrated as all hell!

ShockMaster
02-14-2011, 02:29 PM
I forgot Cena, he's definitely deserving of the top 5 and the complete lack of mentioning him in this list is proof of its validity. Poop.

johnadah
02-14-2011, 03:07 PM
Here's my list. Females included.

25. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
24. Rick Martel
23. Matt Hardy
22. Ernest "The Cat" Miller
21. Goldberg
20. Brian Lawler
19. Scott "Scotty 2 Hotty" Garland
18. Silver King
17. Vampiro
16. Sean Waltman
15. Jaqueline
14. Lex Luger (While I am a fan, he was given way to much credit and too much of a push for the entire second half of his career.)
13. Jeff Jarrett
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Zeus
10. Scott Hall
9. Bobby Eaton
8. Kelle Kelly (As much as I adore her, she can't wrestle, she's stiff bodied and awkward in the ring.)
7. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
6. Sid Vicious
5. Greg Valentine
4. Michelle McCool
3. John Cena
2. Ultimate Warrior
1. Hulk Hogan

Murphdogg4
02-14-2011, 03:19 PM
I stoped reading the list when I saw Arn Andersons name on it. That alone proved the writer was a jackass.

HeelTurn
02-14-2011, 03:19 PM
Here's my list. Females included.

25. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
24. Rick Martel
23. Matt Hardy
22. Ernest "The Cat" Miller
21. Goldberg
20. Brian Lawler
19. Scott "Scotty 2 Hotty" Garland
18. Silver King
17. Vampiro
16. Sean Waltman
15. Jaqueline
14. Lex Luger (While I am a fan, he was given way to much credit and too much of a push for the entire second half of his career.)
13. Jeff Jarrett
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Zeus
10. Scott Hall
9. Bobby Eaton
8. Kelle Kelly (As much as I adore her, she can't wrestle, she's stiff bodied and awkward in the ring.)
7. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
6. Sid Vicious
5. Greg Valentine
4. Michelle McCool
3. John Cena
2. Ultimate Warrior
1. Hulk Hogan

Good list, I would put in Batista, good call with McCool.

johnadah
02-14-2011, 03:36 PM
Good list, I would put in Batista, good call with McCool.

Thanks, HT. I considered Batista, but the more I thought about it, the more I just thought he had more dimensions than everyone accept Hardy. Hardy beat him out because his movements are so stiff and rigid. I always thought Batista was enjoyable as a heel, and they usually allowed him to perform a little more in the ring. He at least displayed some speed and agility though.

RomanFlare
02-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Here's my list. Females included.

25. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
24. Rick Martel
23. Matt Hardy
22. Ernest "The Cat" Miller
21. Goldberg
20. Brian Lawler
19. Scott "Scotty 2 Hotty" Garland
18. Silver King
17. Vampiro
16. Sean Waltman
15. Jaqueline
14. Lex Luger (While I am a fan, he was given way to much credit and too much of a push for the entire second half of his career.)
13. Jeff Jarrett
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Zeus
10. Scott Hall
9. Bobby Eaton
8. Kelle Kelly (As much as I adore her, she can't wrestle, she's stiff bodied and awkward in the ring.)
7. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
6. Sid Vicious
5. Greg Valentine
4. Michelle McCool
3. John Cena
2. Ultimate Warrior
1. Hulk Hogan

Personally, I think Goldberg should be higher. At least higher up than Scotty. Goldberg was a mass of muscle, athletic for a big guy (he really was), but green as the Jolly Green Giant's balls and full of himself. The more the I think about, the only reason he isn't worse than Cena is his Spear and Jackhammer were fun to watch (the former) and impressive (the latter).

xAzureSkye
02-14-2011, 03:56 PM
The complete ranking is as follows:

25. Diesel
24. Arn Anderson
23. Alberto Del Rio
22. Jerry Lynn
21. Shelton Benjamin
20. Verne Gagne
19. Jeff Jarrett
18. Sabu
17. Finlay
16. Christopher Daniels
15. Mr. Anderson
14. William Regal
13. Indy Geeks (Mike Quackenbush pictured)
12. Randy Orton
11. Gorgeous George
10. Scott Hall
9. Dean Malenko
8. Owen Hart
7. Christian
6. Curt Hennig
5. Miss Elizabeth
4. Jerry "The King" Lawler
3. Giant Baba
2. Hulk Hogan
1. Triple H

The fuck? Miss Elizabeth only wrestled one match..

xAzureSkye
02-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Here's my list. Females included.

25. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
24. Rick Martel
23. Matt Hardy
22. Ernest "The Cat" Miller
21. Goldberg
20. Brian Lawler
19. Scott "Scotty 2 Hotty" Garland
18. Silver King
17. Vampiro
16. Sean Waltman
15. Jaqueline
14. Lex Luger (While I am a fan, he was given way to much credit and too much of a push for the entire second half of his career.)
13. Jeff Jarrett
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Zeus
10. Scott Hall
9. Bobby Eaton
8. Kelle Kelly (As much as I adore her, she can't wrestle, she's stiff bodied and awkward in the ring.)
7. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
6. Sid Vicious
5. Greg Valentine
4. Michelle McCool
3. John Cena
2. Ultimate Warrior
1. Hulk Hogan

Nice list, good thing putting Hogan, Cena & McTaker in it, but is Jacqueline necessary? I mean she was under rated imo & was treated terribly by WWE and TNA, of course she defeated a lot of male wrestlers but went highly un-noticed in the Divas/Knockouts divisions.

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 04:04 PM
Here's my list. Females included.

25. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
24. Rick Martel
23. Matt Hardy
22. Ernest "The Cat" Miller
21. Goldberg
20. Brian Lawler
19. Scott "Scotty 2 Hotty" Garland
18. Silver King
17. Vampiro
16. Sean Waltman
15. Jaqueline
14. Lex Luger (While I am a fan, he was given way to much credit and too much of a push for the entire second half of his career.)
13. Jeff Jarrett
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Zeus
10. Scott Hall
9. Bobby Eaton
8. Kelle Kelly (As much as I adore her, she can't wrestle, she's stiff bodied and awkward in the ring.)
7. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
6. Sid Vicious
5. Greg Valentine
4. Michelle McCool
3. John Cena
2. Ultimate Warrior
1. Hulk Hogan

The only names I have a problem with but you hit the nail right on the head with the others.

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 04:18 PM
Here is my list,

25. Bob Backlud

24. Jeff Jerrett

23. Ted Dibiase Sr.

22. Scott Steiner

21. Roddy Pipper

20. Raven

19. Rob Van Dam

18. Ted Dibiase Jr.

17. Samoa Joe

16. The Midnight Express

15. Rocky Johnson

14. Melina

13. Jim Duggan

14. Santino Marella

13. Ron Simmons

12. JBL

11. LOD

10. Kelly Kelly

9. Jay Lethal

8. Rey Mysterio

7. Vampario

6. The Ulitmate Warrior

5. Yokozuna

4. Michelle Mccool

3. Jeff Hardy

2. Ric Flair

1. Hulk Hogan

clrj3514
02-14-2011, 04:36 PM
Jerry Lynn? Overrated? Really?

thedag
02-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Jerry Lynn? Overrated? Really?

how is he not?

Tommy Thunder
02-14-2011, 04:46 PM
Here's my list. Females included.

25. Steve "Mongo" McMichael
24. Rick Martel
23. Matt Hardy
22. Ernest "The Cat" Miller
21. Goldberg
20. Brian Lawler
19. Scott "Scotty 2 Hotty" Garland
18. Silver King
17. Vampiro
16. Sean Waltman
15. Jaqueline
14. Lex Luger (While I am a fan, he was given way to much credit and too much of a push for the entire second half of his career.)
13. Jeff Jarrett
12. Buff Bagwell
11. Zeus
10. Scott Hall
9. Bobby Eaton
8. Kelle Kelly (As much as I adore her, she can't wrestle, she's stiff bodied and awkward in the ring.)
7. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake
6. Sid Vicious
5. Greg Valentine
4. Michelle McCool
3. John Cena
2. Ultimate Warrior
1. Hulk Hogan

Matt Hardy isn't overrated. He's out of shape now, but only because he's been unable to get back in shape after that abs surgery he had. His early career work was pretty good IMO. Anyway, the biggest push he's ever had is for the WWECW title. That's the biggest title he's won in his career, so I think it's unfair to call him overrated.

Xpacfan
02-14-2011, 04:59 PM
Add Cena, The Miz, and Bobby Lashley to the original list!

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 05:05 PM
Add Cena, The Miz, and Bobby Lashley to the original list!

Why The Miz and John Cena?

xAzureSkye
02-14-2011, 05:15 PM
Why The Miz and John Cena?

You must be joking.

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 05:21 PM
You must be joking.

Actually i'm not dip shit.

Tommy Thunder
02-14-2011, 05:24 PM
The Miz shouldn't be on the list, look how far he's come from being that pathetic celebrity, to now a better than average wrestler. Sure he's not perfect, but he's improved a hell of a lot since he started out in WWE.
Cena is overrated. Yes, he's charismatic, yes can be funny and good in the mic. But he just isn't a very good wrestle. I think it's going a bit too far to say that he can't wrestle, he's just not very good. He needs to expand his moveset, add more new moves there.

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 05:29 PM
The Miz shouldn't be on the list, look how far he's come from being that pathetic celebrity, to now a better than average wrestler. Sure he's not perfect, but he's improved a hell of a lot since he started out in WWE.
Cena is overrated. Yes, he's charismatic, yes can be funny and good in the mic. But he just isn't a very good wrestle. I think it's going a bit too far to say that he can't wrestle, he's just not very good. He needs to expand his moveset, add more new moves there.

Exactly. Thats what SOME people don't realize.

thedominator92
02-14-2011, 05:38 PM
1 overated wrestler in wwe history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BLkF6_Sj0k

The Brown One
02-14-2011, 05:46 PM
Well credit is due where credit is due I guess. Congragulations to Triple H for apparently being the most overrated wrestler.

xAzureSkye
02-14-2011, 06:30 PM
What i dont understand is how Miss Elizabeth is over rated? She was a manger her whole career, and the best damn manager ever, she wrestled one match, an evening gown match and that was it.

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 06:33 PM
What i dont understand is how Miss Elizabeth is over rated? She was a manger her whole career, and the best damn manager ever, she wrestled one match, an evening gown match and that was it.

Because the person who made this was Randy Savage all along!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hesterica
02-14-2011, 07:05 PM
I saw this list from lordsofpain.net. by the time I saw Shelton's name I knew it was sh*t.

johnadah
02-14-2011, 07:12 PM
Nice list, good thing putting Hogan, Cena & McTaker in it, but is Jacqueline necessary? I mean she was under rated imo & was treated terribly by WWE and TNA, of course she defeated a lot of male wrestlers but went highly un-noticed in the Divas/Knockouts divisions.

The male wrestlers are the reason she was included. There's absolutely no reason that she should have been given the victories that she received.

xAzureSkye
02-14-2011, 07:14 PM
The male wrestlers are the reason she was included. There's absolutely no reason that she should have been given the victories that she received.

Jacqueline is a veteran, she is amazing in the ring and plus she only won by rollup on the men

johnadah
02-14-2011, 07:17 PM
Matt Hardy isn't overrated. He's out of shape now, but only because he's been unable to get back in shape after that abs surgery he had. His early career work was pretty good IMO. Anyway, the biggest push he's ever had is for the WWECW title. That's the biggest title he's won in his career, so I think it's unfair to call him overrated.

His performance dwindled a long time before the abdominal surgery. Before the abdominal injury for that matter. And he's being pushed hard by TNA now, thrown into main eventing, even though he's not the contender he used to be. The Matt Hardy of the Attitude Era was a hell of a talent. The Matt we've been forced to deal with for about 6 years now is severely overrated.

johnadah
02-14-2011, 07:20 PM
Jacqueline is a veteran, she is amazing in the ring and plus she only won by rollup on the men

She is far from amazing in the ring.

WWTNA Mark
02-14-2011, 07:25 PM
She is far from amazing in the ring.

What? She was one of the best in the attitude era and in TNA. One of the toughest women wrestlers to actually want to wrestle.

Necroyeti
02-14-2011, 07:26 PM
If you read the wrestling dirt sheets, get ready to hear a lot of jibber-jabber from fans who claim that they understand wrestling on a deeper level than folks who like WWE. They prefer to watch wrestling promotions populated by scrawny nerds that can flippity-flop all over the place, but have no idea how to build a compelling match, and even claim that those senseless spot-fests are better than anything produced by WWE. Going nuts for indy geeks doesn't make you better than your average wrestling fan, it just makes you a different type of mark.

Hahahaha, typical WWE mark.

samoan619
02-14-2011, 07:47 PM
i cant believe this list even made the news section of this site.. they might as well put every wrestling related list on the world wide web on this site.. i mean UGO.com??? more like thatswhereiwontgo.com

RomanFlare
02-14-2011, 08:47 PM
i cant believe this list even made the news section of this site.. they might as well put every wrestling related list on the world wide web on this site.. i mean UGO.com??? more like thatswhereiwontgo.com

Iunno why, but this legitly made me laugh.

ShockMaster
02-14-2011, 09:18 PM
If you read the wrestling dirt sheets, get ready to hear a lot of jibber-jabber from fans who claim that they understand wrestling on a deeper level than folks who like WWE. They prefer to watch wrestling promotions populated by scrawny nerds that can flippity-flop all over the place, but have no idea how to build a compelling match, and even claim that those senseless spot-fests are better than anything produced by WWE. Going nuts for indy geeks doesn't make you better than your average wrestling fan, it just makes you a different type of mark.


Hahahaha, typical WWE mark.

Indy wrestlers=I did that when I was 14, bulk up and go pro if you love the craft that is professional wrestling. What's funny is that a lot of these indy geeks are the same people who would cream if vince ever decided to get a sense of humor and call them up to the main roster.

neotamagachi
02-14-2011, 09:32 PM
i think the biggest problem i had with this list is that they said any wrestler that people find underrated is overrated since they never made it big which is stupid and makes no sense

Bodom
02-14-2011, 10:35 PM
Iunno why, but this legitly made me laugh.

It's funny because he's surprised that the List made it onto the news portion.

johnadah
02-15-2011, 03:50 PM
What? She was one of the best in the attitude era and in TNA. One of the toughest women wrestlers to actually want to wrestle.

Have you ever seen Gail Kim wrestle? Medusa? Angelina Love? Sarita? Mickey James? Trish Stratus? Those are just a few, but every single one of them is significantly better than Jaqueline was. Hell, Sable was better than Jaqueline. Nothing about Jaqueline was impressive.

WWTNA Mark
02-15-2011, 03:55 PM
Have you ever seen Gail Kim wrestle? Medusa? Angelina Love? Sarita? Mickey James? Trish Stratus? Those are just a few, but every single one of them is significantly better than Jaqueline was. Hell, Sable was better than Jaqueline. Nothing about Jaqueline was impressive.

Okay now you just sound retard saying that Sable was better than Jaqueline. If you really think that, you must not know what good wrestilng is.

johnadah
02-15-2011, 05:17 PM
Okay now you just sound retard saying that Sable was better than Jaqueline. If you really think that, you must not know what good wrestilng is.

And you very well might be retarded if you believe that Jaqueline actually was a good wrestler. We're not going to get anywhere in this argument, so we might as well just agree to disagree. You say she was great. I say she sucked worse than a $2 prostitute. We'll just leave it at a difference of opinions.

WWTNA Mark
02-15-2011, 05:57 PM
And you very well might be retarded if you believe that Jaqueline actually was a good wrestler. We're not going to get anywhere in this argument, so we might as well just agree to disagree. You say she was great. I say she sucked worse than a $2 prostitute. We'll just leave it at a difference of opinions.

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/75/81/f953b36a948cad348f0db9718ea1.jpg

Rich Cranium
02-15-2011, 07:35 PM
His performance dwindled a long time before the abdominal surgery. Before the abdominal injury for that matter. And he's being pushed hard by TNA now, thrown into main eventing, even though he's not the contender he used to be. The Matt Hardy of the Attitude Era was a hell of a talent. The Matt we've been forced to deal with for about 6 years now is severely overrated.

Matt Hardy V1 > TNA Matt Hardy

Trips88
02-15-2011, 07:36 PM
Well I'm sure it would be so hard to guess based on my sn how I feel on this subject so I'll keep it short. HHH is awesome, people who think otherwise are wrong. People who think he's been given all that he has by his in-laws need to study a little history before making shit up. If you think I'm wrong go fuck yourself. Everybody have a nice day :)

The Brown One
02-15-2011, 08:03 PM
Matt Hardy V1 > TNA Matt Hardy

Damn right.