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xStraightxEdgexSaviorx
01-04-2011, 12:01 AM
Hey everyone, back again for the last time tonight to post another first round match-up in my new tournament. For the first time, this match-up features a rivalry that wasn't in the WWE. I know everyone might not be familiar with Misawa vs. Kobashi, so I will ask that before we all vote for who we want to win, to at least check out some of their matches so you can get a fair argument from both sides. To me, this will come down to what type of wrestling you like: a technical masterpiece, or crazy exciting spotfests.

Here is what I believe to be the most exciting of the TLC matches that E&C/Hardyz/Dudleyz had. Crazy spots in this one:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbqhr3_edge-christian-vs-the-dudley-boyz-v_sport

Part 2 here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbqhyd_edge-christian-vs-the-dudley-boyz-v_sport

This was the first Misawa/Kobashi match I could find on Dailymotion, but trust me, their all gold. At least a 4 1/2 star match here. For those of you who aren't aware, Misawa is the guy in green (as per usual) and Kobashi is the guy in orange/red:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9m6a1_mitsuharu-misawa-vs-kenta-kobashi-a_sport

Part 2: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9m6i7_mitsuharu-misawa-vs-kenta-kobashi-a_sport

Part 3: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9m77p_mitsuharu-misawa-vs-kenta-kobashi-a_sport

Part 4: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mlhi_mitsuharu-misawa-vs-kenta-kobashi-a_sport

My opinion:

Wrestling edge: Misawa vs Kobashi. Again, I'm a technical wrestling type of guy, and while I do enjoy high spots every now and then, you just can't beat all those 5 star matches that Misawa and Kobashi had.

Promo edge: N/A. I don't speak Japanese, so I don't know if either of these guys can talk or even if that is a big deal in Japan, so I cannot rightfully say either way. If I had to guess though, I'd give it to Misawa vs Kobashi though, because this is the main event in Japan and I gotta assume that they at least talk a little over there. And besides, with the exception of E&C none of the tag team guys could really talk.

Longevity: Misawa vs. Kobashi. The match I posted is from 1997, and they were both still going strong at least until 2004.

"Holy Shit" moments: E&C/Hardyz/Dudleyz. Misawa and Kobashi could/did spot too, but the insanity that is E&C/Hardyz/Dudleyz took tag team wrestling AND spot wrestling in general to a whole other level.

Overall: Misawa vs. Kobashi. I know this might not be the most popular choice here, but damnit I don't know if there is a rivalry that was better in ring, and at the end of the day, this is what I look for in wrestling. Technical ability will always be my deal, so I gotta go with the upset here.

Necroyeti
01-04-2011, 01:01 AM
Misawa and Kobashi every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFXhXryKlI

Bodom
01-04-2011, 01:03 AM
Misawa and Kobashi every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFXhXryKlI

^^^^^ This.

Kashdinero
01-04-2011, 01:19 AM
Kobashi v Misawa. Hands down.

The E&C v Dudleys v The Hardyz was unbeleivably good though. Before they came along WWF's tag scene wasn't saying much at all. But all the TLC's in the world cannot compare to the brilliance of Mitsuharu v Kenta.

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 01:34 AM
I have to go with Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi for this one. I hadn't watched any of their matches until just recently, and was blown away by how incredible these guys are in the ring.

If I hadn't seen their matches, this would have hands down, gone to the E&C vs Hardyz vs Dudleyz rivalry. Those tagteams revolutionized tagteam wrestling, and TLC matches, but didn't have as big a rivalry as Misawa and Kenta. I mean, they went for over 6 years! Many wrestlers WWE careers don't even last that long nowadays. Every time I've seen matches of Misawa and Kenta in the ring together, they deliver exceptional technical wrestling that is very deserving of the 5 stars that they got.

Necroyeti
01-04-2011, 01:45 AM
Yeah, let's not forget that the EC-Dudleys-Hardys feud is still one of the greatest feuds in WWE history. The Rhyno, Spike and Lita run in segment of TLCII still makes me mark out.

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 01:49 AM
Yeah, let's not forget that the EC-Dudleys-Hardys feud is still one of the greatest feuds in WWE history. The Rhyno, Spike and Lita run in segment of TLCII still makes me mark out.

Yeah I loved that little run-in too! Remember that sick DDT Spike hit? Right through the table on the outside!

Kashdinero
01-04-2011, 02:09 AM
Yeah I loved that little run-in too! Remember that sick DDT Spike hit? Right through the table on the outside!

Not to mention when Edge speared Lita and she banged her head on a ladder on the floor.

Years later Edge would give a whole new meaning to spearing Lita!

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 02:12 AM
Not to mention when Edge speared Lita and she banged her head on a ladder on the floor.

Years later Edge would give a whole new meaning to spearing Lita!

That he would. Live sex celebration FTW.

On topic: Lita could really take a bump! I miss her. But I know she wouldn't be comfortable working in the WWE again, with the likes of Kelly Kelly and such.

Necroyeti
01-04-2011, 02:23 AM
Not to mention when Edge speared Lita and she banged her head on a ladder on the floor.

Years later Edge would give a whole new meaning to spearing Lita!

There's a gem on commentary too that's just Goddamn hilarious in hindsight -
JR: Lita is jerking Edge off the ladder!

Kashdinero
01-04-2011, 02:26 AM
That he would. Live sex celebration FTW.

On topic: Lita could really take a bump! I miss her. But I know she wouldn't be comfortable working in the WWE again, with the likes of Kelly Kelly and such.

I don't think that it's the lack of Diva talent that would hold her back from returning full time. I reckon it's more a case of, what is there left for her to do? Plus she's not as young as she used to be!

Necroyeti
01-04-2011, 02:30 AM
Let's all take a moment to remember the awesomeness of Lita, and when the Divas division actually meant something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZdmsL7NZKY

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 02:38 AM
There's a gem on commentary too that's just Goddamn hilarious in hindsight -
JR: Lita is jerking Edge off the ladder!

I lold at this. Vintage JR!

Kashdinero
01-04-2011, 02:47 AM
Let's all take a moment to remember the awesomeness of Lita, and when the Divas division actually meant something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZdmsL7NZKY

Those were the days!!!

Lita v Trish main evented an episode of Raw! It's unfathomable to comprehend something like that nowadays.

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 02:56 AM
I don't think that it's the lack of Diva talent that would hold her back from returning full time. I reckon it's more a case of, what is there left for her to do? Plus she's not as young as she used to be!

I didn't mean the lack of talent, since theres divas that can wrestle well, in Beth, Natalya, McCool(shes getting better), and Kong(once she debuts). I meant that she wouldn't fit in with the PG rating, with good do-ers like Kelly Kelly.

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 02:58 AM
Let's all take a moment to remember the awesomeness of Lita, and when the Divas division actually meant something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZdmsL7NZKY

Thats the only womens wrestling promo I remember in WWE. I can remember as bright as day, those words that Trish said.

Kashdinero
01-04-2011, 03:00 AM
I didn't mean the lack of talent, since theres divas that can wrestle well, in Beth, Natalya, McCool(shes getting better), and Kong(once she debuts). I meant that she wouldn't fit in with the PG rating, with good do-ers like Kelly Kelly.

She could always compete with Beth and Natalya to see who has the most rugged jaw-line ; )

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 03:02 AM
She could always compete with Beth and Natalya to see who has the most rugged jaw-line ; )

Hey don't mock Lita! She is a very handsome woman. Ok now I feel this topic is getting way off track.

Necroyeti
01-04-2011, 03:13 AM
You know your division's in trouble when you go from the heel making fun of the face for having a miscarriage, to the heel making fun of the face for being a "piggie".

and yes on topic: BANINGU HAMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

The Brown One
01-04-2011, 03:26 AM
You know your division's in trouble when you go from the heel making fun of the face for having a miscarriage, to the heel making fun of the face for being a "piggie".

Yeah theres been a huge difference in womens storylines during the transition beetween eras. But it should be about the wrestling.

xStraightxEdgexSaviorx
01-04-2011, 03:58 AM
Hey hey hey everyone, let's save the women's division talk at least until we get to Lita vs. Trish's matchup okay? Jp really, talk about whatever you want idc. I was thinking about using that promo for Lita/Trish when they get to their match-up, but now I think I'll post a match instead.

MattElder
01-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Well i gotta go against everyone on this im afraid, E&C, The Dudleys and Hardys changed wrestling through out the world, They changed the meaning of the gimmick matches and moved everything to the next level. The amount of times they sacrificed theyre careers and bodies in this rivary is unmatched on probably never will be matched. On that note they have earned my vote

xStraightxEdgexSaviorx
01-06-2011, 06:16 PM
Okay, I need to catch up on all of these posts. E&C vs. Hardyz vs. Dudleyz officially takes this one in a big comeback win by a score of 6 to 5. Congrats to them for advancing and sorry to Misawa and Kobashi, you guys did all you could, but I have a feeling it's gonna be hard to beat out the WWE guys in this tournament.

Necroyeti
01-07-2011, 11:42 AM
LOL WWE UNIVERSE
http://i.imgur.com/5KUaE.jpg
"who is misawa? kobashwho? i confused. i frightened"

Kashdinero
01-07-2011, 04:36 PM
LOL WWE UNIVERSE
http://i.imgur.com/5KUaE.jpg
"who is misawa? kobashwho? i confused. i frightened"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^