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helmsley
08-17-2012, 01:17 PM
Before you ask, "is this another pg rant?", no , what i want to adress here is what if wwe went back to a little por seriousness, pg-13.

I know that a big part of wwe being pg is about sponsors, but i think there are far more companies available to sponsor for the adult market than for the kids market.

a good idea could be start doing what wwe allowed lesnar to do but with all of their top talents:

let them have sponsorships on their gear, let them promote appear on commercials for merchandise, and they can arrenge a deal with both the sponsors and the superstars, so everyone can be happy.

personally i think that the product is being severly damaged by the need of making happy all the organizations they are related to ( so there a re no homophobic remarks, no agression) and i think part of wrestling is to make the fans believe that the wrestlers really hate each other, that there is a real problem, and nowadays that hardly happens, look at the lesnar -hhh feud, it could have been great if wwe would just let them unleash all the agresiveness they want

what do you guys think?

do you think this idea may work better than what we have right now?

what other ideas for sponsorshiip do you have?

Automatic
08-17-2012, 01:26 PM
That's because WWE is not interested in being a sport, but in being sports entertainment.

The_Socal_Guy
08-17-2012, 01:27 PM
Anything would be better then now. lol Like I was thinking about this WWE Sat morning show they are going to have for the kids. If that's the case, then fine I don't see anything wrong with having a show for the kids. Then Raw and Smackdown should be rated PG-13 or NR, something for the adults.

Jerichoholic_92
08-17-2012, 01:34 PM
They don't make as much merchandise from adults as they do kids though.

As much as I preferred the more edgy stuff, it's in the past (for now anyway.) The 'Attitude Era' was a one off. If you look at the history of wrestling, it was always more tame. It's hard for people such as myself who grew up with that style, but things change.

bartish2
08-17-2012, 02:25 PM
That's because WWE is not interested in being a sport, but in being sports entertainment.
exactly lol they would rather brain wash kids into loving losers like cena & ryder just to sell merch rather than give a good product.

Asherdelampyr
08-17-2012, 02:28 PM
Wait, when was the WWE serious? back when they were the WWWF?

Automatic
08-17-2012, 02:32 PM
exactly lol they would rather brain wash kids into loving losers like cena & ryder just to sell merch rather than give a good product.

It has always been about that, not just now.

helmsley
08-17-2012, 02:57 PM
That's because WWE is not interested in being a sport, but in being sports entertainment.

thats kind of my point, wwe should go to being more sports than sports entertainment, dont get me wrong, i know that wwe would always be entertainment, and we will always have some pointless segments that are suposed to be "comedy", but i think wwe should be more serious, wwe should build better their characters, but that is another topic completely which i will adress soon, right now i think wwe shoud be interested in bringing their level to new highs ,

helmsley
08-17-2012, 03:02 PM
They don't make as much merchandise from adults as they do kids though.

As much as I preferred the more edgy stuff, it's in the past (for now anyway.) The 'Attitude Era' was a one off. If you look at the history of wrestling, it was always more tame. It's hard for people such as myself who grew up with that style, but things change.

thats correct, but sponsors could be interested in an adult show, for example, gillete, playboy, campbells, sports gear, man clothes , there are many options.

and that does not mean that kids would stop buying merchandise, they will still do, remember that forbidden things are the most delightfull

Pumpkinhead
08-17-2012, 03:06 PM
Why have intersting well develop characters when you can have washed-out kid friendly, one dimensional characters who sell a ton of merchandise??, as long as the product sells they don't have a reason to change

DK Wrestling Savior
08-17-2012, 03:18 PM
exactly lol they would rather brain wash kids into loving losers like cena & ryder just to sell merch rather than give a good product.

I love how you call Cena a loser...but if there was no Cena, there would be no WWE right now. Not one other person draws shit in WWE.

BadAndy
08-17-2012, 03:50 PM
WWE should be interested in being entertainment and not a sport. They have incredible athletes but I don't consider it a sport by any means. I think that when HHH takes over, you'll see a push towards a more serious style. Vince has been the one that's pushed the more kid friendly WWE. I seriously doubt that the rating of the WWE is what pushes the merchandise. Many of the IWC were children during the AE and that didn't stop them from watching it or their parents from allowing them to watch it. I think you're really mixing two different aspects of the business and I'm not sure they are totally related, if related at all.

Cabers
08-17-2012, 04:39 PM
That's because WWE is not interested in being a sport, but in being sports entertainment.

The first reply and the most logical answer.

Jerichoholic_92
08-17-2012, 04:58 PM
thats correct, but sponsors could be interested in an adult show, for example, gillete, playboy, campbells, sports gear, man clothes , there are many options.

and that does not mean that kids would stop buying merchandise, they will still do, remember that forbidden things are the most delightfull

There is just as many kid friendly sponsors as adult focused sponsors, so there is really no difference in that aspect.

I do agree with your second point though absolutely. I was young when I started watching, and it was the height on the AE. I dont think WWE see it that way though. They see it as ' kids are our demographic, so we make the product more suitable for children'. They know fine well that the adult fans who have watched for years, will remain watching for years. There's a saying in the wrestling buisness, "The fans will always be there" and they use that to their advantage, by focusing on getting fans in for the future.

I don't like it, but it is good buisness acumen.

Lowki
08-17-2012, 05:49 PM
Just because there are adult sponsors means nothing. This is clearly the business model that works best for them. They have probably explored all avenues and this is probably the most cost effective. You also have to think about mainstream media also. The attitude era is getting them heat with the media, even today. (A few columnists for ESPN are still slating them to this day for some tasteless skits).

Xosanj
08-17-2012, 05:50 PM
It also the day an age we live in. We are in a politically correct era. The tv shows you use to watch growing up would not be tolerated now a days. Anyone remember Al Bundy? That character alone would not even be allowed on reg t.v let alone the show lol

The wwe is just moving with the times.

Lowki
08-17-2012, 05:51 PM
There is just as many kid friendly sponsors as adult focused sponsors, so there is really no difference in that aspect.

I do agree with your second point though absolutely. I was young when I started watching, and it was the height on the AE. I dont think WWE see it that way though. They see it as ' kids are our demographic, so we make the product more suitable for children'. They know fine well that the adult fans who have watched for years, will remain watching for years. There's a saying in the wrestling buisness, "The fans will always be there" and they use that to their advantage, by focusing on getting fans in for the future.

I don't like it, but it is good buisness acumen.
I'd like to add that parents in 2012 are a lot different from 1999. Life in the 90s is different from today, imo. People are a lot more politically correct today and many things that occurred in the 90s, would never be allowed today. It's just a different time and the WWE has evolved with that.

wheelchair1986
08-18-2012, 01:39 AM
I'd like to add that parents in 2012 are a lot different from 1999. Life in the 90s is different from today, imo. People are a lot more politically correct today and many things that occurred in the 90s, would never be allowed today. It's just a different time and the WWE has evolved with that.

Exactly what I have been saying. I hate this PG shit too...but political correctness since 2001 has been a huge issue as everything from sesame street to family fued has been watered down. It's hard to Feel like something "is serious" when it's not alloud to be taken that way, so many shows, cartoons, WWE, even T.V. shows have changed so much, I don't think buffy the vampire slayer would even be legal in this day in age as people would get "overly protective" and do something stupid like call it "child porn". People Today though can't "protect" their kids from everything so they expect t.v. to do it for them. Unfortunately w/ this being the case and wwe being a childs product, the AE just wouldn't happen unless wwe moved it's time slot or changed it's advertising approach, which they don't need to do because they make plenty of money.

BadAndy
08-18-2012, 09:43 AM
It also the day an age we live in. We are in a politically correct era. The tv shows you use to watch growing up would not be tolerated now a days. Anyone remember Al Bundy? That character alone would not even be allowed on reg t.v let alone the show lol

The wwe is just moving with the times.


And that's why we have shows like Family Guy on tv now? Family dynamics have changed. Unfortunately in this day and age it's changed in a way different than what you see. It's a more morally ambiguous time. Shows push things further than ever before. Most PG films have things in them that are filth that I'm shocked to see in them (watch The Cat in the Hat for example). Kids tv shows push the limits (Spongebob, Adventure Time, etc. have topics that shock me). We may live in a time of political correctness. However, we live in a time where the tv is the babysitter and the parents don't give a flying flip what's on it until they feel slighted and then they look for retribution. I think that in many ways that's what the WWE is trying to avoid. They don't want to be deemed responsible for something or held accountable for something that a child might say or do. I've been a school teacher in an inner city elementary school for close to 10 years. A majority of these kids watch the WWE. A majority of them also watch things and start talking about shows and it blows my mind what they watch and how casual they are with what they saw.

bartish2
08-18-2012, 07:37 PM
I love how you call Cena a loser...but if there was no Cena, there would be no WWE right now. Not one other person draws shit in WWE.

its all about the booking man and raw did just fine drawing 2.8's without cena on it a few months ago for 3 weeks in a row. also tlc 2011 only lost 9,000 buys whereas ppvs WITH cena lose tens of thousands... yeah huge draw lol

Jerichoholic_92
08-19-2012, 11:13 AM
Also after the Chris Benoit murder/suicide, not only WWE, but everyone in the buisness has had to clean up their act. It's a shame but that really hurt the buisness bad, they had no option