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Robstar
06-17-2012, 11:51 PM
So it goes something like this. Certain users have been more concerned with the welfare of themselves, rather than that of the site as a whole. These users don't care if the site burns. They want to have their fun RIGHT NOW and don't plan on sticking around. These people are the first to say they don't care what you think, but the first to cry to Uncle Fwankie if you want to do something about it.

The concern is that users more involved with the e-feds, gatecrash the main discussion part of the site with their groups & characters (efed writing styles evidenced by the popularity of the one sentence replies) and bombard regular members with their ridiculous hashtagging and ganging up – driving away new and longterm users alike. And thusly, they are giving those who know where their character begins and ends, those who are in general more respectful and reciprocating and level headed a bad name. Essentially, they have ruined the e-feds.

The mods haven’t replied to people because their hands got tied by all the people stomping their feet and complaining that ‘things just ain’t fair’ and ‘why shouldn’t I be able to say whatever I want’ and yes, the good old “I won’t say anything now, but wait until it goddamn well suits me”. Because while you may know how to play the game to your advantage – you’re taking all the fun out of it.

I'll fight for this site because I helped build it. It would be amiss of me to bail out now.

EWN Probie
06-17-2012, 11:55 PM
So it goes something like this. Certain users have been more concerned with the welfare of themselves, rather than that of the site as a whole. These users don't care if the site burns. They want to have their fun RIGHT NOW and don't plan on sticking around. These people are the first to say they don't care what you think, but the first to cry to Uncle Fwankie if you want to do something about it.

The concern is that users more involved with the e-feds, gatecrash the main discussion part of the site with their groups & characters (efed writing styles evidenced by the popularity of the one sentence replies) and bombard regular members with their ridiculous hashtagging and ganging up – driving away new and longterm users alike. And thusly, they are giving those who know where their character begins and ends, those who are in general more respectful and reciprocating and level headed a bad name. Essentially, they have ruined the e-feds.

The mods haven’t replied to people because their hands got tied by all the people stomping their feet and complaining that ‘things just ain’t fair’ and ‘why shouldn’t I be able to say whatever I want’ and yes, the good old “I won’t say anything now, but wait until it goddamn well suits me”. Because while you may know how to play the game to your advantage – you’re taking all the fun out of it.

I'll fight for this site because I helped build it. It would be amiss of me to bail out now.

I second you Robstar, I am tired of certain people's bullshit, the rules need to be a bit more strict around here, people are getting away with anything but are the first to complain when nothing's going their way and they know who they are!

Asherdelampyr
06-17-2012, 11:57 PM
So it goes something like this. Certain users have been more concerned with the welfare of themselves, rather than that of the site as a whole. These users don't care if the site burns. They want to have their fun RIGHT NOW and don't plan on sticking around. These people are the first to say they don't care what you think, but the first to cry to Uncle Fwankie if you want to do something about it.

The concern is that users more involved with the e-feds, gatecrash the main discussion part of the site with their groups & characters (efed writing styles evidenced by the popularity of the one sentence replies) and bombard regular members with their ridiculous hashtagging and ganging up – driving away new and longterm users alike. And thusly, they are giving those who know where their character begins and ends, those who are in general more respectful and reciprocating and level headed a bad name. Essentially, they have ruined the e-feds.

The mods haven’t replied to people because their hands got tied by all the people stomping their feet and complaining that ‘things just ain’t fair’ and ‘why shouldn’t I be able to say whatever I want’ and yes, the good old “I won’t say anything now, but wait until it goddamn well suits me”. Because while you may know how to play the game to your advantage – you’re taking all the fun out of it.

I'll fight for this site because I helped build it. It would be amiss of me to bail out now.

sounds good, now all that is needed is a plan.

Krysys
06-17-2012, 11:58 PM
Well put and absolutely correct. Certain users do in fact make the majority look bad and it hurts EWN. I do hope that the trouble makers who are causing the problems get dealt with and no drastic measures need to be made.

SilverGhost
06-17-2012, 11:58 PM
sounds good, now all that is needed is a plan.

Plan is simple: tell me who are the troublemakers and I will make sure they are gone.

Krysys
06-18-2012, 12:00 AM
Plan is simple: tell me who are the troublemakers and I will make sure they are gone.

Good plan, and that is how it should be. The only issue I can see is users feeling they may not have the right to say something about another user.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:00 AM
Well put and absolutely correct. Certain users do in fact make the majority look bad and it hurts EWN. I do hope that the trouble makers who are causing the problems get dealt with and no drastic measures need to be made.

At this point, it will go to that level.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 12:00 AM
Thanks a TON for posting this on here too. There's rabid packs of hyena's on this board just waiting to find a chink in someones armor just to expose a nerve and keep at it until you boil over. And as you said, more level headed people get in trouble because of that. It's a shame and then when they do that to you and they do something bad, it's bad they got caught and they wanna cry but, it was great of them to do it to you. Jerks.

This site has gone WAY down since I first came here. I've seen this trend of new users be the cause of the decline with how they act. Their "Hyena" mentality. It's disgusting and it needs to stop.

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 12:01 AM
Plan is simple: tell me who are the troublemakers and I will make sure they are gone.
Just to add to this. Give valid proof as to why and how they are causing trouble and not randomly pointing fingers and throwing others under the bus

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:01 AM
Good plan, and that is how it should be. The only issue I can see is users feeling they may not have the right to say something about another user.

They have to step it up. They better believe me in that.

Krysys
06-18-2012, 12:01 AM
At this point, it will go to that level.

I would hate to see the feds go, but I can understand why it may come to that.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:02 AM
Just to add to this. Give valid proof as to why and how they are causing trouble and not randomly pointing fingers and throwing others under the bus

Fine. Just give me names and I'll provide why.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 12:02 AM
Thanks a TON for posting this on here too. There's rabid packs of hyena's on this board just waiting to find a chink in someones armor just to expose a nerve and keep at it until you boil over. And as you said, more level headed people get in trouble because of that. It's a shame and then when they do that to you and they do something bad, it's bad they got caught and they wanna cry but, it was great of them to do it to you. Jerks.

This site has gone WAY down since I first came here. I've seen this trend of new users be the cause of the decline with how they act. Their "Hyena" mentality. It's disgusting and it needs to stop.

now you know why I got banned!

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 12:04 AM
Plan is simple: tell me who are the troublemakers and I will make sure they are gone.
This is where it would be helpful if I actually got involved in stuff, instead of staying away from all the fighting most of the time, also it is possible that I am one of those assholes, in which case I would be blinded and unable to see the reality of the situation

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 12:08 AM
Fine. Just give me names and I'll provide why.

out of me you know the names already as they are THAT obvious

Kryptonite
06-18-2012, 12:10 AM
I don't get it, can someone tell me in an easier way?

wrestlingfan66513
06-18-2012, 12:12 AM
sounds good, now all that is needed is a plan.

All the mods need are a couple of ban hammers and IP blocking shields then we can get rid of the head of the problem

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:13 AM
This is where it would be helpful if I actually got involved in stuff, instead of staying away from all the fighting most of the time, also it is possible that I am one of those assholes, in which case I would be blinded and unable to see the reality of the situation

You never gave people or us problems.

Look, the problem is with the certain users. They need to be gone because they don't contribute and cause problems for everyone. I have a solid idea in a group of people. I already banned one person because I know that this guy IS a troublemaker. He gave us mods problems in the past so that doesn't help. He wasn't helping when a user broke down. It took two mods to calm down the user. Constant derails (Yes I know that we derail but that was on occasions, they do it constantly.) which doesn't promote more users and opinions.

I want this site to be like back then where talks and opinions matter, not Cliques.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:14 AM
out of me you know the names already as they are THAT obvious

There may be more.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 12:16 AM
You never gave people or us problems.

Look, the problem is with the certain users. They need to be gone because they don't contribute and cause problems for everyone. I have a solid idea in a group of people. I already banned one person because I know that this guy IS a troublemaker. He gave us mods problems in the past so that doesn't help. He wasn't helping when a user broke down. It took two mods to calm down the user. Constant derails (Yes I know that we derail but that was on occasions, they do it constantly.) which doesn't promote more users and opinions.

I want this site to be like back then where talks and opinions matter, not Cliques.

We all do. We all do.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:23 AM
Seriously, it has been a monkey on my back and to be honest....I am tired of playing babysitter. I WILL take these users out that never contribute and cause trouble. If they want to continue, they better leave and go somewhere else.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 12:24 AM
I had a brief discussion with Robstar one day after someone was banned. He had mentioned that there was a "pack" of users that gang up on people and it's so true.

I've seen a few users on here banned due to interaction with the SAME users. One of them will post, then another has his back, then the other has the other two's back, and so on. There's 5 or 6 of them and it's ridiculous.

Even the most level headed person on this site is going to get upset when you have 6 kids (and I say that because for the most part this group are all under 18) all starting shit/flaming you up and then when you finally DO blow your lid and say something that gets you banned they all have the balls to say "Why don't you just find another forum. I think that's in your best interest" like they're your friend that's looking out for you or something. It's gone too far

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 12:25 AM
There may be more.

I do apologize for the way I acted in the past, it was because of cliques I broke down and got banned, I was just sick and tired of them just getting away with everything on here

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 12:27 AM
I had a brief discussion with Robstar one day after someone was banned. He had mentioned that there was a "pack" of users that gang up on people and it's so true.

I've seen a few users on here banned due to interaction with the SAME users. One of them will post, then another has his back, then the other has the other two's back, and so on. There's 5 or 6 of them and it's ridiculous.

Even the most level headed person on this site is going to get upset when you have 6 kids (and I say that because for the most part this group are all under 18) all starting shit/flaming you up and then when you finally DO blow your lid and say something that gets you banned they all have the balls to say "Why don't you just find another forum. I think that's in your best interest" like they're your friend that's looking out for you or something. It's gone too far

In the words of Mike Tenay: AMEN!

Sully
06-18-2012, 12:29 AM
If children are that serious of a problem, why not have an age limit when it comes to registering?

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 12:30 AM
If children are that serious of a problem, why not have an age limit when it comes to registering?
That won't do. How can we verify their age? It's like a porn site "click here if you're over 18" "click here if you're not" of course you can click on the over 18 part no way it can be monitored

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 12:33 AM
I had a brief discussion with Robstar one day after someone was banned. He had mentioned that there was a "pack" of users that gang up on people and it's so true.

I've seen a few users on here banned due to interaction with the SAME users. One of them will post, then another has his back, then the other has the other two's back, and so on. There's 5 or 6 of them and it's ridiculous.

Even the most level headed person on this site is going to get upset when you have 6 kids (and I say that because for the most part this group are all under 18) all starting shit/flaming you up and then when you finally DO blow your lid and say something that gets you banned they all have the balls to say "Why don't you just find another forum. I think that's in your best interest" like they're your friend that's looking out for you or something. It's gone too far

I can get rid of those specific guys. All I want is more names.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 12:34 AM
If children are that serious of a problem, why not have an age limit when it comes to registering?It's not the fact that kids come on here, it's how they act once they are here. Anyone should be welcome to post here on eWN regardless of age as long as they know how to act.

They problem is all too often we see the SAME group of what should be established users all ganging up on one person to get them to say something that gets them banned. This same group are all around the same age group, and are very close knit. This of course is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

Sully
06-18-2012, 12:34 AM
Than maybe infract and ban people based on how they follow the actual rules, instead of picking them out for the friends they make or the way they post.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 12:36 AM
I can get rid of those specific guys. All I want is more names.

Other than the specific ones, I'll let you know

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 12:40 AM
I had a brief discussion with Robstar one day after someone was banned. He had mentioned that there was a "pack" of users that gang up on people and it's so true.

I've seen a few users on here banned due to interaction with the SAME users. One of them will post, then another has his back, then the other has the other two's back, and so on. There's 5 or 6 of them and it's ridiculous.

Even the most level headed person on this site is going to get upset when you have 6 kids (and I say that because for the most part this group are all under 18) all starting shit/flaming you up and then when you finally DO blow your lid and say something that gets you banned they all have the balls to say "Why don't you just find another forum. I think that's in your best interest" like they're your friend that's looking out for you or something. It's gone too far

Heh. Sounds like a familiar tune you're playing there. I recognize it well. It was a number one hit with me in January.

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 12:40 AM
Than maybe infract and ban people based on how they follow the actual rules, instead of picking them out for the friends they make or the way they post.
Here is the thing. That group of friends gang up on a user and get them to break the rules getting them banned. They try and change but they rally that user up having them unleash and that group don't let go of the past, move on and leave that user alone instead they go at it until they get banned

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 12:40 AM
Heh. Sounds like a familiar tune you're playing there. I recognize it well. It was a number one hit with me in January.

It was my number one hit for awhile :P

Sully
06-18-2012, 12:42 AM
Here is the thing. That group of friends gang up on a user and get them to break the rules getting them banned. They try and change but they rally that user up having them unleash and that group don't let go of the past, move on and leave that user alone instead they go at it until they get banned

I've seen the same thing from an entirely different group of people. Just tonight in the chat as a matter of fact.

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 12:44 AM
Speak up let mods know who they are.

Sully
06-18-2012, 12:45 AM
Speak up let mods know who they are.

That's the ironic part of it.

Kryptonite
06-18-2012, 12:46 AM
Why speak of children being a problem? An age limit what the hell people? There are so much kids here that are just okay, look at me am i a problem? No, do i deserve to get kicked out of here? No. Neither does the other half of the "normal being" kids.

Sully
06-18-2012, 12:47 AM
Why speak of children being a problem? An age limit what the hell people? There are so much kids here that are just okay, look at me am i a problem? No, do i deserve to get kicked out of here? No. Neither does the other half of the "normal being" kids.

I'm 16, and I'd like to think of myself as part of the other half of kids...the normal being ones.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 12:49 AM
Why speak of children being a problem? An age limit what the hell people? There are so much kids here that are just okay, look at me am i a problem? No, do i deserve to get kicked out of here? No. Neither does the other half of the "normal being" kids.

Just stating something here, you DO have a signature that is implying rape and sex. As far as I know, that is a problem. But, let me stay quiet, I'll get ganged up on again lol.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 12:49 AM
Than maybe infract and ban people based on how they follow the actual rules, instead of picking them out for the friends they make or the way they post.But the way they post IS the problem. You(not you in particular just a "you") can be the the most grammatically correct person here but yet it's the underhanded way things are gone about that causes the stink.

And the friends they make are all in a cult sort of fashion. Of one mind and one accord. All these guys are all the same age limit, are good friends, and it shows because as soon as one of them get into any kind of heated argument ALL of them gang up on that one person.

Sully
06-18-2012, 12:52 AM
But the way they post IS the problem. You(not you in particular just a "you") can be the the most grammatically correct person here but yet it's the underhanded way things are gone about that causes the stink.

And the friends they make are all in a cult sort of fashion. Of one mind and one accord. All these guys are all the same age limit, are good friends, and it shows because as soon as one of them get into any kind of heated argument ALL of them gang up on that one person.

But the thing is, they're not the only ones!

There are two more groups of people that do the exact same thing, and considering I think people believe I'm part of the group in question now, I'd rather not confront it any longer. Although by what Rob was talking about in the OP of this thread, it doesn't sound like me at all. I haven't been posting a lot in the WWE section, and when I do it's usually to make a good post.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 12:54 AM
Age limits are ridiculous and obviously, that won't happen.

I know when I was 14 I was clicking "YES, I AM OVER 18" on some of my favourite websites...

Plus, age doesn't equal quality of posts - you can (as we have seen) get adults who cannot create a coherent sentence, or will wildly start a thread talking about how much of a douchebag they think Cena is. Equally, I think we have some incredibly capable posters who are still in their teens. Hell, I've seen some posters who make more sense as a kid than some of the adults on here.

Everything is in context, every post is completely unrelated to age and directly related to the effort put in. I don't deny that I've done plenty of derailings, and plenty of one sentence replies - that is through being lazy. On the flip side, I know I'm more than capable of creating a well rounded point or article (hence the few blogs I have done).

Everyone IS capable of being a positive member of the forums - that doesn't mean kissing ass, it simply means making a decent contribution. I don't feel that means it should always be a strung out response with 10,000 words every time - sometimes a sentence or a few words is sufficient to summarise.

Anyway, enough rambling from me. I'm continuing monitoring this thread.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 12:57 AM
Just stating something here, you DO have a signature that is implying rape and sex. As far as I know, that is a problem. But, let me stay quiet, I'll get ganged up on again lol.
That sig is from the WWE... This is a wrestling website. I'd say it shouldnt be a problem, but I wouldn't want my opinion to be seen as hanging up on you rob.

But the way they post IS the problem. You(not you in particular just a "you") can be the the most grammatically correct person here but yet it's the underhanded way things are gone about that causes the stink.

And the friends they make are all in a cult sort of fashion. Of one mind and one accord. All these guys are all the same age limit, are good friends, and it shows because as soon as one of them get into any kind of heated argument ALL of them gang up on that one person.
They all have individual minds. They also individually type whatever they want.

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 12:57 AM
And here is the thing I see as to why they run amok. As a Psychology major I've read about this a lot and I've witnessed this first hand and it's the Bystander Effect where everyone sees an action that is clearly wrong and thinks they should speak up but then think oh wait someone else will get it http://psychology.about.com/od/socialpsychology/a/bystandereffect.htm. <---- for more of your reading pleasure.

Anyways as I stated the group runs amok because "oh hey you know what someone else will do it and report those kids" but no one does. And that group is under what is called herd behavior. They see a friend and back them up they think what they are doing is right and the other person is wrong no matter what. It's amazing what I've seen here and then being able to apply it to concepts I've learned.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:00 AM
And here is the thing I see as to why they run amok. As a Psychology major I've read about this a lot and I've witnessed this first hand and it's the Bystander Effect where everyone sees an action that is clearly wrong and thinks they should speak up but then think oh wait someone else will get it http://psychology.about.com/od/socialpsychology/a/bystandereffect.htm. <---- for more of your reading pleasure.

Anyways as I stated the group runs amok because "oh hey you know what someone else will do it and report those kids" but no one does. And that group is under what is called herd behavior. They see a friend and back them up they think what they are doing is right and the other person is wrong no matter what. It's amazing what I've seen here and then being able to apply it to concepts I've learned.

Read about that myself before, particularly the Kitty Genovese case. Sad, really, but true.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 01:00 AM
Fine. Just give me names and I'll provide why.PM sent SilverGhost. It's definitely time for this to end.

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 01:01 AM
That sig is from the WWE... This is a wrestling website. I'd say it shouldnt be a problem, but I wouldn't want my opinion to be seen as hanging up on you rob.

They all have individual minds. They also individually type whatever they want.
Psychology would like to disagree http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-mob-mentality.htm

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 01:03 AM
Read about that myself before, particularly the Kitty Genovese case. Sad, really, but true.
Sad sad case really. And it's fun you because you always say "I'd never be like that I'd go and help" but would you really? Only very few people really would. I for one don't know if I would or would not


And on topic I feel like I did. I could have stood up for someone who was being ganged up on and well I didn't I thought maybe someone else would see the wrong

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 01:04 AM
Psychology would like to disagree http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-mob-mentality.htm
Stop ganging up on me with Psychology! :)

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:04 AM
Psychology would like to disagree http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-mob-mentality.htm

Correct.

Your rationale when with one friend is different to another. When talking to your mother you will likely behave different to how you would around your best friend.

People reply in kind based on their emotions - and their emotions are somewhat affected by the people they are talking to. If their behaviour is acceptable to their friends, but not to another, they are less likely to act that way around those other people.

Having said that, I don't excuse or condone such behaviour.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:05 AM
Sad sad case really. And it's fun you because you always say "I'd never be like that I'd go and help" but would you really? Only very few people really would. I for one don't know if I would or would not


And on topic I feel like I did. I could have stood up for someone who was being ganged up on and well I didn't I thought maybe someone else would see the wrong

All circumstantial.

Me and my friend were mugged, my nose broken. The whole time it happened, a builder was watching. It was at least a 10 minute altercation and he did nothing. When we questioned him he simply said he found it funny - but it's somewhat related.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 01:07 AM
That sig is from the WWE... This is a wrestling website. I'd say it shouldnt be a problem, but I wouldn't want my opinion to be seen as hanging up on you rob.

I was just making a point. Regardless of the fact that its a wrestling related site, and the sig is wrestling related, its still an implication of rape. And your one opinion is not ganging up on me. Just awkward and uncomfortable. :P

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:09 AM
When we questioned him he simply said he found it funny - but it's somewhat related.

That's freaking disgusting. It's one thing being too scared to do anything about it, but to say that he found it funny is just...criminal like in it's own right.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:12 AM
That's freaking disgusting. It's one thing being too scared to do anything about it, but to say that he found it funny is just...criminal like in it's own right.

Yeah, haha, I was pretty close to opening a can of whoop-ass on him!

That said, I don't suppose that makes me much better...

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 01:13 AM
That sig is from the WWE... This is a wrestling website. I'd say it shouldnt be a problem, but I wouldn't want my opinion to be seen as hanging up on you rob.

They all have individual minds. They also individually type whatever they want.1. Any signature that portrays forced sex regardless what program it orginally came from is a no no

2. They all individually gang up on one user that "picked on their buddy" multiply this by 6 and you really have a problem

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:14 AM
to go back to the subject of this thread, I hope you the moderators do what needs to be done and ban the useless people from here

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 01:16 AM
1. Any signature that portrays forced sex regardless what program it orginally came from

2. They all individually gang up on one user that "picked on their buddy" multiply this by 6 and you really have a problem
My I ask how someone individually gangs up on another person? :)

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:16 AM
to go back to the subject of this thread, I hope you the moderators do what needs to be done and ban the useless people from here

This.

That said, I rarely have problems with other users. I find most to be quite welcoming and have done so from the start.

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:20 AM
My I ask how someone individually gangs up on another person? :)

Especially via the internet.

I thought forums were for debate and argument. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion as another person, and sometimes only one person would have an opinion, against a whole other group of people.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 01:20 AM
to go back to the subject of this thread, I hope you the moderators do what needs to be done and ban the useless people from here
Why don't you name these useless people you refer to, maybe they will see they need a change of attitude.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:21 AM
Why don't you name these useless people you refer to, maybe they will see they need a change of attitude.

I have, the mods already know who. I don't need to make these name public knowledge

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:24 AM
I have gotten a few names. I think I should provide reasons why.

pauadrian- occasionally contributes but his problem is that issues are never far. Just recently, he is using the c-word all over the forums.
Giddy- I'm gonna be honest, I barely see him contribute...well...only in a few threads and postwhores. But when his Cliquemates are in trouble, he is always there to cause more problems.
Broc- We know of this guy's history and problems aren't far. Either part of the problem or is the problem. Can't count how many times arguments are broken up in the efed section....
Sully- Same way. Only this time, his backseat modding doesn't help out at all. (I am looking at you Tommy as well.)
Steve Austin- Man...this guy actually thought that he would get our job. In no way. Also he has given us problems. Even when a user was breaking down. It took Rob and I to calm the user down. That cheery attitude...constant hashtagging....etc etc etc....He has been in our shitlist for the longest and he is gone and I don't want to see him back.

Anymore names?

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:25 AM
Sully- Same way. Only this time, his backseat modding doesn't help out at all. (I am looking at you Tommy as well.)


Okay, backseat modding. I'm aware of it, and it's stopping. That's not a bannable offense though, right?

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:26 AM
Oh being one of their followers...doesn't help your position. At all.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:26 AM
Okay, backseat modding. I'm aware of it, and it's stopping. That's not a bannable offense though, right?

That no. But you are being paired with Broc and you do know of problems you caused us, right? The backseat modding makes it worse because it is our job. Not yours.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:27 AM
I have gotten a few names. I think I should provide reasons why.

pauadrian- occasionally contributes but his problem is that issues are never far. Just recently, he is using the c-word all over the forums.
Giddy- I'm gonna be honest, I barely see him contribute...well...only in a few threads and postwhores. But when his Cliquemates are in trouble, he is always there to cause more problems.
Broc- We know of this guy's history and problems aren't far. Either part of the problem or is the problem. Can't count how many times arguments are broken up in the efed section....
Sully- Same way. Only this time, his backseat modding doesn't help out at all. (I am looking at you Tommy as well.)
Steve Austin- Man...this guy actually thought that he would get our job. In no way. Also he has given us problems. Even when a user was breaking down. It took Rob and I to calm the user down. That cheery attitude...constant hashtagging....etc etc etc....He has been in our shitlist for the longest and he is gone and I don't want to see him back.

Anymore names?

Right now I agree with those names

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:27 AM
Oh being one of their followers...doesn't help your position. At all.

How am I one of their followers? I'm cousins with Broc, and Giddy is on the HWA creative team.

I don't recall ever ganging up on anyone, but I have given my opinion in places. Particularly with Kevin, but even I apologized with him not to long ago.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 01:28 AM
My I ask how someone individually gangs up on another person? :)Simple really. I'll give you an example. Say me and you get into an argument. Broc sees you arguing with me and pitches in his two cents, completely agreeing with you of course. I reply to Broc, adding him into it

Sully sees his cousin Broc joining an argument between me and you, so he puts his two cents in. I reply to Sully. Broc replies to me replying to Sully, You reply to me replying to either of them and so on.

Giddy sees all of us going around so he joins in, then Pau, then Steve. The next thing you know there is 5 or 6 people all arguing with one person which leads to things getting blown way out of proportion.

So yeah even though you each would be an individual, you all would individually be ganging up on someone. Does that make sense?

Edit: Adding more names to the list SG? Lol

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:29 AM
That no. But you are being paired with Broc and you do know of problems you caused us, right? The backseat modding makes it worse because it is our job. Not yours.

And Krysas is paired with Vegas. I don't understand what the difference is...

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:29 AM
Well at least said names are being made public knowledge.

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:29 AM
Simple really. I'll give you an example. Say me and you get into an argument. Broc sees you arguing with me and pitches in his two cents, completely agreeing with you of course. I reply to Broc, adding him into it

Sully sees his cousin Broc joining an argument between me and you, so he puts his two cents in. I reply to Sully. Broc replies to me replying to Sully, You reply to me replying to either of them and so on.

Giddy sees all of us going around so he joins in, then Pau, then Steve. The next thing you know there is 5 or 6 people all arguing with one person which leads to things getting blown way out of proportion.

So yeah even though you each would be an individual, you all would individually be ganging up on someone. Does that make sense?

Please give me a specific example of where this happened.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:30 AM
How am I one of their followers? I'm cousins with Broc, and Giddy is on the HWA creative team.

I don't recall ever ganging up on anyone, but I have given my opinion in places. Particularly with Kevin, but even I apologized with him not to long ago.

I already mentioned it.

Anyways, I will clarify on the followers. I am well aware of the "EWN Clique". That sort of shit is not cool.

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:31 AM
I already mentioned it.

Anyways, I will clarify on the followers. I am well aware of the "EWN Clique". That sort of shit is not cool.

Is that a group on here? If so, you won't find I am apart of it.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:31 AM
I am well aware of the "EWN Clique". That sort of shit is not cool.

I don't think it helps that one person has a "Clique" list in their sig. :rolleyes:

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:31 AM
Please give me a specific example of where this happened.

It was an example but I have seen it a couple of times.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 01:32 AM
Simple really. I'll give you an example. Say me and you get into an argument. Broc sees you arguing with me and pitches in his two cents, completely agreeing with you of course. I reply to Broc, adding him into it

Sully sees his cousin Broc joining an argument between me and you, so he puts his two cents in. I reply to Sully. Broc replies to me replying to Sully, You reply to me replying to either of them and so on.

Giddy sees all of us going around so he joins in, then Pau, then Steve. The next thing you know there is 5 or 6 people all arguing with one person which leads to things getting blown way out of proportion.

So yeah even though you each would be an individual, you all would individually be ganging up on someone. Does that make sense?

Damn, you're keeping my song in rotation tonight dude.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:33 AM
well something that pisses me off is when people mind other people's business and add their two cents when it's not the right time to do so...

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:34 AM
It was an example but I have seen it a couple of times.

I can't help that I have a certain opinion than someone, and a specific group of people happen to join in. Nowhere has my opinion broken any rules.

I haven't spammed, used derogatory terms, I haven't done any of that stuff.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:34 AM
Is that a group on here? If so, you won't find I am apart of it.

I know you are not but you cannot deny that you have given us issues.


I don't think it helps that one person has a "Clique" list in their sig. :rolleyes:

I don't think it helps that 6 users brings down the morale of this forum. Especially when we have been lenient since the VERY beginning. If being lenient caused this, we do apologize but we will take action and fix things.

Broc
06-18-2012, 01:35 AM
Broc- We know of this guy's history and problems aren't far. Either part of the problem or is the problem. Can't count how many times arguments are broken up in the efed section....

I've never felt that I've been a part of any problem. If anything, I try my best to be a part of the solution. In HWA, we recently brought in the NO DRAMA Policy, in attempt to keep away from the drama, and since then, it has seen to work very well.
i don't join the E-Feds to start drama, I join them for fun, and, well, recently it's just not as fun. I try my best to stay away from trouble, and I feel I've done a good job of it, but if I'm on a list of "the bad kids" right now, I guess it's otherwise....

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:35 AM
well something that pisses me off is when people mind other people's business and add their two cents when it's not the right time to do so...

About a week ago, I apologized to Kevin. I made my point clear that I am done with all the little feuds.

I apologized with R(ob) awhile back too.

Those were the only two feuds I thought I had here, and I made sure to end them both.

Krysys
06-18-2012, 01:35 AM
And Krysas is paired
with Vegas. I don't understand what the
difference is...

Why bring is into this?

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:37 AM
I know you are not but you cannot deny that you have given us issues.

I admit I've been a little upset, but is because of the recent talk of it all. With people grouping me in as a bad kid, it really causes a lot of stress. I have a problem, and I try PMing someone like you or Rob, and I get ignored.

I know that my "backseat" modding was pissing people off, and after thinking about it, I decided to refrain from it all after the thing with Rob.

Tell me about any other problems I've caused, and I can fix them all.

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:38 AM
Why bring is into this?

Just an example man. You and Vegas, Broc and I. We're probably the only pair of users that are known to be family related. Wasn't anything against you guys at all.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:38 AM
About a week ago, I apologized to Kevin. I made my point clear that I am done with all the little feuds.

I apologized with R(ob) awhile back too.

Those were the only two feuds I thought I had here, and I made sure to end them both.

Well since I came back on this forum, I've been pretty low key because of the fact that this forum has really become depressing to post, I have friends on here but the fun of posting has worn off due to certain posters

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:39 AM
I don't think it helps that 6 users brings down the morale of this forum. Especially when we have been lenient since the VERY beginning. If being lenient caused this, we do apologize but we will take action and fix things.

I don't think leniency is this issue though, well not completely.

The Mods are pretty generous on here, and I think it creates the best atmosphere - in fact, I applaud the leniency you guys do show, and I appreciate that it means extra shit sometimes, but I think it makes for a better feel to the forums. Obviously, there may be some people who abuse this, but said people are now being studied by yourself to see what can be done.

I think it's as simple as someone fucks around too much, they get put in their place, if they become a repeat offender, then off they go. I know it's not entirely down to you guys to 'babysit' per se, but you do have the powers to make that change - and I appreciate that that is exactly what you are trying to do now.

Overall, I'd say the mods have the right idea on the forums in general - nobody gets banned for banter or joking around, I do think however that if people don't know where to draw the line, then they need to be told exactly where that is and if they cross it again, then out comes the Hammer of Thor.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 01:45 AM
Simple really. I'll give you an example. Say me and you get into an argument. Broc sees you arguing with me and pitches in his two cents, completely agreeing with you of course. I reply to Broc, adding him into it

Sully sees his cousin Broc joining an argument between me and you, so he puts his two cents in. I reply to Sully. Broc replies to me replying to Sully, You reply to me replying to either of them and so on.

Giddy sees all of us going around so he joins in, then Pau, then Steve. The next thing you know there is 5 or 6 people all arguing with one person which leads to things getting blown way out of proportion.

So yeah even though you each would be an individual, you all would individually be ganging up on someone. Does that make sense?

Edit: Adding more names to the list SG? Lol
I would like to hope that a hypothetical situation doesn't add names to this list.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:51 AM
I don't think leniency is this issue though, well not completely.

The Mods are pretty generous on here, and I think it creates the best atmosphere - in fact, I applaud the leniency you guys do show, and I appreciate that it means extra shit sometimes, but I think it makes for a better feel to the forums. Obviously, there may be some people who abuse this, but said people are now being studied by yourself to see what can be done.

I think it's as simple as someone fucks around too much, they get put in their place, if they become a repeat offender, then off they go. I know it's not entirely down to you guys to 'babysit' per se, but you do have the powers to make that change - and I appreciate that that is exactly what you are trying to do now.

Overall, I'd say the mods have the right idea on the forums in general - nobody gets banned for banter or joking around, I do think however that if people don't know where to draw the line, then they need to be told exactly where that is and if they cross it again, then out comes the Hammer of Thor.

That is the thing. Most of these guys ARE repeat offenders. One thing is our leniency. The other thing is the CHANCES! The chances we gave them. Some mess up RIGHT AFTER the chance was given. Others we keep a close eye until they mess up.

Oh and their "followers". Their yesmen. I will be keeping a close eye on you.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:52 AM
I would like to hope that a hypothetical situation doesn't add names to this list.

So far, my attention is on the EWN Clique(which should concern you) and the Pittsburgh cousins.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:52 AM
That is the thing. Most of these guys ARE repeat offenders. One thing is our leniency. The other thing is the CHANCES! The chances we gave them. Some mess up RIGHT AFTER the chance was given. Others we keep a close eye until they mess up.

Well then that's fair game.

If people can't rectify then they relinquish their position on the forums.

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:53 AM
That is the thing. Most of these guys ARE repeat offenders. One thing is our leniency. The other thing is the CHANCES! The chances we gave them. Some mess up RIGHT AFTER the chance was given. Others we keep a close eye until they mess up.

Oh and their "followers". Their yesmen. I will be keeping a close eye on you.

So everyone who had their names brought out, is just being warned tonight. Then when the first smell of smoke arises from one of them, they're banned on the spot?

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 01:55 AM
so it all works out rather simply
don't be a dick, be a dude.

if your name has been mentioned, maybe just try to stay away from arguing as much, or at least re-read whatever you type and remove any personal references from it. separate the argument from the person you are having it with. (not always easily done)

Be excellent to each other.

Party on dude

Robstar
06-18-2012, 01:56 AM
And Krysas is paired with Vegas. I don't understand what the difference is...

You know Sully, in reading through this thread and for a lot of the time I've interacted with you, it appears that the best, if not ONLY defence you have when a finger is even slightly pointed in your direction is to DEFLECT and say, 'well look at what someone else is doing over there'. Which never actually refutes the accusation being levelled at you. And for a halfway canny internet user, skews the conversation sufficiently so that you never really own up to what you're doing.

It's called guilt by association. Don't muddy the names of Krysys or Vegas, just to attempt prove some kind of point. Don't attempt to pretend that certain guys have never got together in PM, on FB or on XBox and talked shit about users here as a group. It's painfully transparent.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:56 AM
So everyone who had their names brought out, is just being warned tonight. Then when the first smell of smoke arises from one of them, they're banned on the spot?

thing is, they're repeat offenders and they've being coming off scott free while others are getting in trouble for their actions, this should be ended immediately without warning, it's gone on for far too long

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:57 AM
So everyone who had their names brought out, is just being warned tonight. Then when the first smell of smoke arises from one of them, they're banned on the spot?

Actually....that is totally up to me. I could ban all of you guys. Both you and Broc AND the EWN Clique members if I wanted to. So it is entirely my call.

SLEEPY LOCO1
06-18-2012, 01:58 AM
so it all works out rather simply
don't be a dick, be a dude.

if your name has been mentioned, maybe just try to stay away from arguing as much, or at least re-read whatever you type and remove any personal references from it. separate the argument from the person you are having it with. (not always easily done)

Be excellent to each other.

Party on dude

I give you 10,000 cool points for the Bill & Ted reference:cool:

Sully
06-18-2012, 01:59 AM
Actually....that is totally up to me. I could ban all of you guys. Both you and Broc AND the EWN Clique members if I wanted to. So it is entirely my call.

And with you being such a nice guy, I'm going to get another chance to prove I'm not so bad?

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 01:59 AM
You know Sully, in reading through this thread and for a lot of the time I've interacted with you, it appears that the best, if not ONLY defence you have when a finger is even slightly pointed in your direction is to DEFLECT and say, 'well look at what someone else is doing over there'. Which never actually refutes the accusation being levelled at you. And for a halfway canny internet user, skews the conversation sufficiently so that you never really own up to what you're doing.

It's called guilt by association. Don't muddy the names of Krysys or Vegas, just to attempt prove some kind of point. Don't attempt to pretend that certain guys have never got together in PM, on FB or on XBox and talked shit about users here as a group. It's painfully transparent.Oh God YES! YES! YES! Where's a Captain Picard "Full of Win" meme when you need one? :D

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 02:00 AM
I give you 10,000 cool points for the Bill & Ted reference:cool:

it just seemed to fit, y'know?

KJ PUNK
06-18-2012, 02:01 AM
I give you 10,000 cool points for the Bill & Ted reference:cool:

I agree to this completely! Party on, Ted!

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 02:01 AM
And with you being such a nice guy, I'm going to get another chance to prove I'm not so bad?

I am running out of chances and patience now.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 02:03 AM
Actually....that is totally up to me. I could ban all of you guys. Both you and Broc AND the EWN Clique members if I wanted to. So it is entirely my call.

I now have an image of a nation being conquered. Lmfao.

Very interested to see how all of this pans out over the next few days.

Sully
06-18-2012, 02:05 AM
I am running out of chances and patience now.

But how many chances have I thrown away? I know I got myself in trouble back at the end of December, and trust me I regret that day so many times. After that though, I haven't even received as much as an infraction.

Like I said, the "backseat modding" has stopped. At first I thought it was a good way to stand out as a contributor, but it really only made me stand out as a jackass. I see that now, and it is finished.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 02:06 AM
I would say put them all on vacation. Around 60-90 days should do. And after then, let them back and re-evaluate. Just my opinion so take it for what it's worth. I personally think that site quality will increase ten fold in 2 months if this happens.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 02:06 AM
But how many chances have I thrown away? I know I got myself in trouble back at the end of December, and trust me I regret that day so many times. After that though, I haven't even received as much as an infraction.

Like I said, the "backseat modding" has stopped. At first I thought it was a good way to stand out as a contributor, but it really only made me stand out as a jackass. I see that now, and it is finished.

My 2 cents, for what it's worth, is to just drop it and carry on as normal (or different, given the circumstances). I think you're digging holes right now. Just my view.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 02:07 AM
So far, my attention is on the EWN Clique(which should concern you) and the Pittsburgh cousins.
I've done nothing wrong. I have nothing to be concerned about. If you want to look deeper into things than they actually go, then by all means you're free to do as you please.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 02:11 AM
I've done nothing wrong. I have nothing to be concerned about. If you want to look deeper into things than they actually go, then by all means you're free to do as you please.

Look at it this way: the EWN Clique provides problems. You are a part of that Clique. The Clique has a negative stain. Are you really sure that you aren't part of the problem?

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 02:13 AM
I would say put them all on vacation. Around 60-90 days should do. And after then, let them back and re-evaluate. Just my opinion so take it for what it's worth. I personally think that site quality will increase ten fold in 2 months if this happens.

That would include giving them another chance later on. Chances that I and other mods given.

Amerinaine
06-18-2012, 02:16 AM
"Treat others as you want to be treated."

Seems like such a simple thing. Alas, it is not.

I haven't been banned yet, not even close. However, even I have lost my stack on here. It is all in how you do it that makes the difference. So...as I see it. If you don't know where the line is, than you probably should just walk away from here. Otherwise, you'll receive the ban hammer.

Cliques are never really a good thing.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 02:17 AM
"Treat others as you want to be treated."

Seems like such a simple thing. Alas, it is not.

I haven't been banned yet, not even close. However, even I have lost my stack on here. It is all in how you do it that makes the difference. So...as I see it. If you don't know where the line is, than you probably should just walk away from here. Otherwise, you'll receive the ban hammer.

Well said amigo.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 02:17 AM
Look at it this way: the EWN Clique provides problems. You are a part of that Clique. The Clique has a negative stain. Are you really sure that you aren't part of the problem?
The whole "clique" thing seems to have been blown way out of proportion.
I believe that you are overlooking that it is only a loose association these days. Sure there is a stable in HWA. But that is efedding and it hasn't caused a problem there, which in itself should be taken as a good sign considering how easily problems have risen from Efeds. The clique as a whole on this site is practically non existent.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 02:17 AM
That would include giving them another chance later on. Chances that I and other mods given.Then remove my "let them back and re-evaluate" portion of that prior post ;). I still say the site quality will increase then fold in 2 months.

Peace of Mind=Priceless

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 02:24 AM
The whole "clique" thing seems to have been blown way out of proportion.
I believe that you are overlooking that it is only a loose association these days. Sure there is a stable in HWA. But that is efedding and it hasn't caused a problem there, which in itself should be taken as a good sign considering how easily problems have risen from Efeds. The clique as a whole on this site is practically non existent.

Then why is it the same guys starting problems? Or are these guys "non-existent" as well?

Robstar
06-18-2012, 02:24 AM
It's one thing to lose your stack on here every so often. That happen - lord knows it's happened to me a time or two.

I simply cannot stand by and watch the degradation of a site that was SO good for ages.

When I see the clique, it makes me think of one thing - that group of guys you'd see in high school who'd stake out a favourite spot (on here it's the efeds) and then proceed to hassle anyone who came within vocal range of them - harass and intimidate and in general make trouble. And they'd get away with it too because, while everyone couldn't stand them, noone did anything about it.

The most ironical part of cyber bullies is that quite likely they are the victims of real life bullying. You'd reckon they'd learn.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 02:28 AM
It's one thing to lose your stack on here every so often. That happen - lord knows it's happened to me a time or two.

I simply cannot stand by and watch the degradation of a site that was SO good for ages.

When I see the clique, it makes me think of one thing - that group of guys you'd see in high school who'd stake out a favourite spot (on here it's the efeds) and then proceed to hassle anyone who came within vocal range of them - harass and intimidate and in general make trouble. And they'd get away with it too because, while everyone couldn't stand them, noone did anything about it.

The most ironical part of cyber bullies is that quite likely they are the victims of real life bullying. You'd reckon they'd learn.

I really like your Sig, not gonna lie.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 02:35 AM
Then why is it the same guys starting problems? Or are these guys "non-existent" as well?
Coincidence.
You named three people (giddy, Pau and Steve) who happened to be members of a group that was made as a joke for a little fun... It's easy to name names. But blaming a whole group for the actions of a few members is over the top.

Robstar
06-18-2012, 02:37 AM
Coincidence.
You named three people (giddy, Pau and Steve) who happened to be members of a group that was made as a joke for a little fun... It's easy to name names. But blaming a whole group for the actions of a few members is over the top.

You obviously cannot see it from our point of view. If you can't see the damage Austin was causing, then I doubt we could explain it to you. Bottom line: he was the leader and you all blindly followed him

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 02:42 AM
From mid-December all the way until my banning in February, I was on the ass end of the abuse of a lot of people. I tried to take it in stride as much as I could but when I put so much time and effort into something just to have people completely bash it and not give it a chance hurt me a lot. THEN there were the attacks on it and on me... I was literally ganged up by about six people and banned for completely lashing out. It was Robstar and Ka$hdinero that really helped me when I was gone.

There were a LOT of family issues going on, a lot of things here and a bunch of other shit. I was getting burned at both ends and this pack of Hyenas made it nowhere near tolerable. I was the one to get banned after they did what they did... it still sucks and hurts because of how long I have been here and stayed out of trouble.

And Sully, you're NOT completely scott free. As of yesterday you came on to the JBW thread, made a completely unnecessary and backhanded comment and then left. There was no need for it but, you changed right? Yeah, we patched up our differences but your cousin proved that he's more yellow than black tonight. I have things to talk to him about but I doubt he'll ever man up and do it in private... you know, without running to Frank.

I'm tired of this shit, I've almost left this place numerous times but I didn't because of the friendships I have established here. I'll be damned if a group of pricks are going to bring this site into further decay...

Sully
06-18-2012, 02:42 AM
I learned that what I have been doing was wrong. At this point I will be trying to fix it 100%, assuming that I hopefully can stay here.

HWA means a lot, and not being able to do it would really suck. I just want you guys to know that.

B-MCINTYRE
06-18-2012, 02:43 AM
You obviously cannot see it from our point of view. If you can't see the damage Austin was causing, then I doubt we could explain it to you. Bottom line: he was the leader and you all blindly followed him
I didn't say that he didn't cause problems, I'm saying dont hold me responsible for them. I'm responsible for my own actions. Just as Giddy is for his and you are for yours.

He wasn't my leader. I'm not in a cult and to be perfectly honest I don't think I've even talked to him in a month.

Sully
06-18-2012, 02:43 AM
And Sully, you're NOT completely scott free. As of yesterday you came on to the JBW thread, made a completely unnecessary and backhanded comment and then left. There was no need for it but, you changed right? Yeah, we patched up our differences but your cousin proved that he's more yellow than black tonight. I have things to talk to him about but I doubt he'll ever man up and do it in private... you know, without running to Frank.

That comment was all in good jest. I had no idea that would have been taken seriously, because everything in the JBW is always about joking around and having fun.

If you guys were offended, I apologize. I read your show, and I even gave feedback on it man. HJ, and everyone else that worked on it, did a fantastic job putting it together.

I mean even I'm late for shows. I was just pulling your leg...heck, I'm supposed to post Havoc on Saturdays...it's Monday morning and I JUST finished.

Broc
06-18-2012, 02:45 AM
I have things to talk to him about but I doubt he'll ever man up and do it in private... you know, without running to Frank.

I've never ran to Frank about you with anything, promise.

If you have anything you want to talk to me about, I'm all ears.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:06 AM
Ok. I have decided who is banned. You will know who is who. Steve is gone and will not get his chance. Four more will follow. And if there is any of the same action occurring, you will be banned.

I am sorry but this was a long time coming.

Amerinaine
06-18-2012, 03:07 AM
Hopes it isn't me, although I can't think of a reason why it would be me.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 03:18 AM
Ok. I have decided who is banned. You will know who is who. Steve is gone and will not get his chance. Four more will follow. And if there is any of the same action occurring, you will be banned.

I am sorry but this was a long time coming.

I have to ask just so its... definitive, these are permabans, correct? No more chances? Just so those who are banned have I gues you could say, clarity.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:20 AM
I have to ask just so its... definitive, these are permabans, correct? No more chances? Just so those who are banned have I gues you could say, clarity.

Yes. Perma.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 03:34 AM
Please let me be the first to say; "Maybe you should find a different forum? I think that would be in your best interest. Best of luck to you in your new site you go on"

eWN has come to term with the release of Broc, Sully, Pauadrian, and Giddy. We would like to wish them the best of luck in their future endeavours.

Edit: I truly hope that this is a permanent solution. I realize that tomorrow there is going to be "WHY ME!!!" threads started in the NOC, as well as pm'ing rampant but I hope you guys stick to your guns. I feel as if this will truly help with the quality of this site for the future.

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 03:35 AM
well, that totally sucks. I was hoping that everything could have been resolved without the need to ban people, but I suppose it was necessary

Kashdinero
06-18-2012, 04:13 AM
Oh dear, it appears the bubble has burst. Let's hope the confrontational era has finally come to an end. It was all getting a little too much for us mods, and, believe us, this isn't something that has just "popped up out of the blue", as, unfortunately, this has been a long time coming.

Let's hope we can all take a little bit away from this thread and use what we have learned here wisely.

MODS RULEZ. Its the only way we can exist here in harmony. We are doing a thankless and tiresome job here, and to be undermined and disrespected by some of the above users has forced our hand and necessitated the permanent banning of some of our more popular users. Obviously this wasn't a decision that was made easily, but, it has happened, and, if I'm honest, wild horses wouldn't be able to change our collective minds on what has transpired here tonight.

Sorry, but it is what it is, guys.

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 04:37 AM
Oh dear, it appears the bubble has burst. Let's hope the confrontational era has finally come to an end. It was all getting a little too much for us mods, and, believe us, this isn't something that has just "popped up out of the blue", as, unfortunately, this has been a long time coming.

Let's hope we can all take a little bit away from this thread and use what we have learned here wisely.

MODS RULEZ. Its the only way we can exist here in harmony. We are doing a thankless and tiresome job here, and to be undermined and disrespected by some of the above users has forced our hand and necessitated the permanent banning of some of our more popular users. Obviously this wasn't a decision that was made easily, but, it has happened, and, if I'm honest, wild horses wouldn't be able to change our collective minds on what has transpired here tonight.

Sorry, but it is what it is, guys.

I can't or won't pretend that I like or fully agree with the decisions y'all reached, however I do know that I don't know nearly enough about the surrounding circumstances to actually argue about it, and I know a lot of my personal feelings are wrapped up in the worry of what will happen to HWA now (Which of course is not y'all's concern) so it is impossible for me to actually be impartial on the subject.

What I will say is that I share your hope that this stops the high school BS that has taken a lot of fun out of this forum, because that shit got old fast.

Robstar
06-18-2012, 05:06 AM
A lot of the time, you don't realise the cancer is there until it's too late

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 05:13 AM
A lot of the time, you don't realise the cancer is there until it's too late

that is too true. in this case, I think it's just kids being kids, taken to a stupid level.

Poot-Hair
06-18-2012, 05:18 AM
A lot of the time, you don't realise the cancer is there until it's too late


that is too true. in this case, I think it's just kids being kids, taken to a stupid level.

I agree with both of you, although if it was me I could think of another one or two that should be swept out with the others. Just get a fresh start again.

Asherdelampyr
06-18-2012, 05:19 AM
I agree with both of you, although if it was me I could think of another one or two that should be swept out with the others. Just get a fresh start again.

I don't think that will be needed at this point. I think that this has served to give notice of where the line is, or at least I hope that is the case. The other option is that it will just cause more confusion.

akbar
06-18-2012, 06:58 AM
Damn, reading this thread has been interesting to say the least. All I can say is wow, i can tell there are people on this thread intent on getting certain other people banned because they don't get along with that person for whatever reason in the past and I can only hope that the mods just don't ban any name given to them. (which I'm sure your not but there's rage involved so I'm saying it just incase)

Bodom
06-18-2012, 08:52 AM
Damn. I went to sleep and missed all the fun.

BennyTheBall
06-18-2012, 09:27 AM
...i can tell there are people on this thread intent on getting certain other people banned because they don't get along with that person for whatever reason...

I sorta noticed that as well.

Bleedin' hell though: I leave these boards for 48 hours and there is mutiny.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 09:32 AM
Damn, reading this thread has been interesting to say the least. All I can say is wow, i can tell there are people on this thread intent on getting certain other people banned because they don't get along with that person for whatever reason in the past and I can only hope that the mods just don't ban any name given to them. (which I'm sure your not but there's rage involved so I'm saying it just incase)

Well, thats one side of the coin. But the other side is that some people like to gang up on people and get them banned as well. It's an optimist and a pessimist. Some see it one way, some see it another. TECHNICALLY, no one is right or wrong when it comes to words BUT this is a forum where certain rules apply 24/7 and in this case, a chance was given multiple times and the people who were banned have been banned at least two times in the past each. I think unfortunately in this case the ends justify the means.

ihearvoices
06-18-2012, 09:45 AM
My only issue with this site is how sometimes the rules are not enforce I'm not telling anyone how to do their job but too many times I see people go without punishment for their actions due to personal relationships. When it comes to Efed I think that mods should take alot into consideration seeing how alot of people on here tend to have bad blood with each other, so when one little thing happen it becomes bigger than it should be. I myself have done this several times due to the fact I disagree with a few members on here. Hopefully the Ban will be lifted and everything will be fix seeing how those guys are important and well liked around the Efed world.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 09:49 AM
My only issue with this site is how sometimes the rules are not enforce I'm not telling anyone how to do their job but too many times I see people go without punishment for their actions due to personal relationships. When it comes to Efed I think that mods should take alot into consideration seeing how alot of people on here tend to have bad blood with each other, so when one little thing happen it becomes bigger than it should be. I myself have done this several times due to the fact I disagree with a few members on here. Hopefully the Ban will be lifted and everything will be fix seeing how those guys are important and well liked around the Efed world.

It baffles me how eFeds even create tension between people...it's a fucking roleplaying game!

It's not real life, it has no direct effect on your lives, and if it does, then you need to address the situation.

Don't mean to make that sound personal, but I'm seeing a few people bringing up that eFed egos have spread onto the rest of the forum. That's absolutely absurd.

I am currently in a Fed, and I don't think there's a single instance of me having an argument with someone in character leading to any kind of tension - it's a bloody game.

K2Jelly
06-18-2012, 09:52 AM
It baffles me how eFeds even create tension between people...it's a fucking roleplaying game!

It's not real life, it has no direct effect on your lives, and if it does, then you need to address the situation.

Don't mean to make that sound personal, but I'm seeing a few people bringing up that eFed egos have spread onto the rest of the forum. That's absolutely absurd.

I am currently in a Fed, and I don't think there's a single instance of me having an argument with someone in character leading to any kind of tension - it's a bloody game.

I'm glad you see that.

I'm really trying to pull out all the stops while I'm in character, even in the midst of the game, but the temper tantrums and egos contaminate the feds and suck out all of the fun. I have no idea why people invest their self worth into something so light hearted.

Really glad something's being done about it.

ihearvoices
06-18-2012, 09:54 AM
It baffles me how eFeds even create tension between people...it's a fucking roleplaying game!

It's not real life, it has no direct effect on your lives, and if it does, then you need to address the situation.

Don't mean to make that sound personal, but I'm seeing a few people bringing up that eFed egos have spread onto the rest of the forum. That's absolutely absurd.

I am currently in a Fed, and I don't think there's a single instance of me having an argument with someone in character leading to any kind of tension - it's a bloody game.


I was the same way when I started and didnt get how things could get so personal off of Efedding but you will be shock. 90% of the time it all starts with someone going too far with a Joke or comment or even someone taking a person's comment personal. Alot of misunderstanding but its life

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 10:00 AM
I was the same way when I started and didnt get how things could get so personal off of Efedding but you will be shock. 90% of the time it all starts with someone going too far with a Joke or comment or even someone taking a person's comment personal. Alot of misunderstanding but its life

But doesn't the old rule "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" apply here? eFed's should be fair game, but only in the eFed sections - and it's down to the owners of each Fed to moderate their own.

It's almost as dumb as football hooligans - fighting over a game.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 10:02 AM
My only issue with this site is how sometimes the rules are not enforce I'm not telling anyone how to do their job but too many times I see people go without punishment for their actions due to personal relationships. When it comes to Efed I think that mods should take alot into consideration seeing how alot of people on here tend to have bad blood with each other, so when one little thing happen it becomes bigger than it should be. I myself have done this several times due to the fact I disagree with a few members on here. Hopefully the Ban will be lifted and everything will be fix seeing how those guys are important and well liked around the Efed world.

The ban will not be lifted. As I said in previous pages, I have no more chances to give. The Efed world, like it or not, is not really important here and that is me being honest. Hell, it is the efeds that gives this place problems and this is coming from an efedder but you should know by now, I am a mod first.

ihearvoices
06-18-2012, 10:10 AM
But doesn't the old rule "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" apply here? eFed's should be fair game, but only in the eFed sections - and it's down to the owners of each Fed to moderate their own.

It's almost as dumb as football hooligans - fighting over a game.


I agree 100% I tend to try to stay away from a few members that I why I picked HWA because it didn't have any of the drama other Efeds had and didn't have the members I had previous issues with. At the end of the day its hard to stay away from trouble here because believe it or not people go around looking to either start it or to push you far enough to lash out on them. Sometimes Mods don't catch it or get the whole story before its too late which i get we all have real lives

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 10:13 AM
I agree 100% I tend to try to stay away from a few members that I why I picked HWA because it didn't have any of the drama other Efeds had and didn't have the members I had previous issues with. At the end of the day its hard to stay away from trouble here because believe it or not people go around looking to either start it or to push you far enough to lash out on them. Sometimes Mods don't catch it or get the whole story before its too late which i get we all have real lives

I guess now it's a case of just sending their name to a mod and what the situation is and it'll be dealt with. Obviously, just not for normal disagreements, but actual issues.

ihearvoices
06-18-2012, 10:24 AM
I guess now it's a case of just sending their name to a mod and what the situation is and it'll be dealt with. Obviously, just not for normal disagreements, but actual issues.

That's what I do now If anything I bring it to Frank since he is not a person who tends to Efed or comment much so he can view things on both side with a clear head. And handle the situation. No point in going back and forth anymore all it ends with is someone getting banned.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 10:32 AM
That's what I do now If anything I bring it to Frank since he is not a person who tends to Efed or comment much so he can view things on both side with a clear head. And handle the situation. No point in going back and forth anymore all it ends with is someone getting banned.

I doubt he will look at things differently, especially how I am documenting what is going on. So far, you are about to be the next one gone. Keep pushing it.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 10:42 AM
I doubt he will look at things differently, especially how I am documenting what is going on. So far, you are about to be the next one gone. Keep pushing it.

The Culling continues.

Godspeed.

SLEEPY LOCO1
06-18-2012, 10:56 AM
This is all just a bag of bullshit to me! What I am getting from this is anyone who dissagrees with a mod or if a mod just doesnt like you, you get banned. Guess I will be next.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 10:59 AM
This is all just a bag of bullshit to me! What I am getting from this is anyone who dissagrees with a mod or if a mod just doesnt like you, you get banned. Guess I will be next.

I don't think that's it at all.

One of my favourite people on the forum has been banned, but even I can see it makes sense that if someone is hindering the progression of the forums, then they can't be here.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 11:00 AM
This is all just a bag of bullshit to me! What I am getting from this is anyone who dissagrees with a mod or if a mod just doesnt like you, you get banned. Guess I will be next.

Did you just not read the past pages or do I have to make it clear in a few words?

These guys caused trouble for ALL of us. The forums is not the same because of the troublemakers. How clear can I be?

akbar
06-18-2012, 11:02 AM
I don't think that's it at all.

One of my favourite people on the forum has been banned, but even I can see it makes sense that if someone is hindering the progression of the forums, then they can't be here.

While im fine with him being banned and not going to protest it but in what way was he hindering progression?

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 11:03 AM
While im fine with him being banned and not going to protest it but in what way was he hindering progression?

Who are you referring to?

johnnydropkicks
06-18-2012, 11:03 AM
why are broc and sully and giddy banned when they were here openly discussing it? guys you can't do that. they were here openly discussing the thing and you just ban them. that's no way to be about it. keep in mind they're young and that has a certain amount of stupidness. people were talking about it so noone needed ban.

and I dispute TT's name coming up in this thread

akbar
06-18-2012, 11:04 AM
Who are you referring to?

Steve Austin

K2Jelly
06-18-2012, 11:08 AM
Steve Austin

Go to page 7 and see why SG banned him in the first place.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 11:12 AM
why are broc and sully and giddy banned when they were here openly discussing it? guys you can't do that. they were here openly discussing the thing and you just ban them. that's no way to be about it. keep in mind they're young and that has a certain amount of stupidness. people were talking about it so noone needed ban.

and I dispute TT's name coming up in this thread

I explained why but I guess another explanation in another page will help.

They caused problems for us for a while and took advantage of our leniency. You really think that it would be alright for another slap on the wrist and tell them to "not do it again" and see them cause trouble again? No, I have had it.

Tommy knows better not to start with his stuff, especially since he IS a repeat offender.

akbar
06-18-2012, 11:13 AM
Go to page 7 and see why SG banned him in the first place.

Yes i know that, i never asked why he was banned. I was only talkin about a specific point JSul made which I felt was completely false and I wanted to hear his reason for saying that.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 11:18 AM
Yes i know that, i never asked why he was banned. I was only talkin about a specific point JSul made which I felt was completely false and I wanted to hear his reason for saying that.

Even if I do give you more reasons, I won't change my mind. As long as I am around, Steve Austin won't be allowed back here in the forums. If history of giving us problems doesn't convince you, I don't know what will. So if you disagree, too bad.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 11:18 AM
Yes i know that, i never asked why he was banned. I was only talkin about a specific point JSul made which I felt was completely false and I wanted to hear his reason for saying that.

I never stated that I felt they were holding the forums back from progression, I was stating that if the mods felt that way they are completely right to act upon that.

johnnydropkicks
06-18-2012, 11:19 AM
I explained why but I guess another explanation in another page will help.

They caused problems for us for a while and took advantage of our leniency. You really think that it would be alright for another slap on the wrist and tell them to "not do it again" and see them cause trouble again? No, I have had it.

Tommy knows better not to start with his stuff, especially since he IS a repeat offender.

well I'll take your word for it on the three cause I am not the most active here.

but I don't like to see Tommy's name thrown around in any conversation about people causing trouble cause I have never seen him do anything. what the hell has he ever done? anyway if you have some issue on record for him or whatever then fine don't bother replying with it cause I'm not looking for a big argument about it and I don't want to cause any bad rep for Tommy. Just keep in mind that he's not any kind of with any of these other guys in terms of being random or troublesome.

akbar
06-18-2012, 11:23 AM
Even if I do give you more reasons, I won't change my mind. As long as I am around, Steve Austin won't be allowed back here in the forums. If history of giving us problems doesn't convince you, I don't know what will. So if you disagree, too bad.

I understand. I was just making sure things were done for the better interest of the site rather than personal reasons...

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 11:26 AM
I understand. I was just making sure things were done for the better interest of the site rather than personal reasons...

I don't like Steve Austin. I am not even going to hide that, at all. But what I am doing is not out of personal reasons. That much I can tell you.

Rated_R(ob)KO
06-18-2012, 11:33 AM
TT has indeed had documented problems stemming from him drinking and getting on the site as well as things going down with a girl names Danielle. It's all old hat though but, he is a repeat offender. TT has become very mature in the last few months when it comes to posting on here and I'm pretty sure he doesn't come on here drunk anymore either lol.

Kryptonite
06-18-2012, 12:52 PM
It sucks to see them leave this place, but now it is time for the The Dude to come back and make an impact!

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 01:04 PM
It sucks to see them leave this place, but now it is time for the The Dude to come back and make an impact!

Yeah being banned quick.

johnnydropkicks
06-18-2012, 01:33 PM
TT has indeed had documented problems stemming from him drinking and getting on the site as well as things going down with a girl names Danielle. It's all old hat though but, he is a repeat offender. TT has become very mature in the last few months when it comes to posting on here and I'm pretty sure he doesn't come on here drunk anymore either lol.

I appreciate you taking the time to drag him in the mud like that and clarify what the issues were even though I was not talking to you.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 01:34 PM
Oh boy, here we go.

Bodom
06-18-2012, 01:37 PM
Hey johnny.

Let it go.

EWN Probie
06-18-2012, 01:37 PM
I appreciate you taking the time to drag him in the mud like that and clarify what the issues were even though I was not talking to you.

dude now is not the time to start something on here especially on this thread, we explained to you numerous times and the mods aren't in a happy mood so if I were you I'd leave to stay safe

K2Jelly
06-18-2012, 01:38 PM
Hey johnny.

Let it go.

I'm with him. These mods aren't playing around. Don't dance on hot coals over something so trivial.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 01:41 PM
I'm surprised to see Broc, Sully and Giddy gone. Unfortunately, I can understand pau and Stevo being gone

Personally I believe Broc and Sully haven't done anything wrong. Correct me if I am wrong, because I only briefly scanned through the thread, but has Broc or Sully done anything major since December? Giddy has cut back on his derailing in recent weeks, and contributes well to EWA, HWA and EWNCW. He's done an instrumental job in helping the newer guys in EWA feel welcome, and I can always have a good conversation with him in The Tea Spot if I wanted to

In my view those 3 should be kept, but that's my opinion

thejman93
06-18-2012, 02:06 PM
I'm surprised to see Broc, Sully and Giddy gone. Unfortunately, I can understand pau and Stevo being gone

Personally I believe Broc and Sully haven't done anything wrong. Correct me if I am wrong, because I only briefly scanned through the thread, but has Broc or Sully done anything major since December? Giddy has cut back on his derailing in recent weeks, and contributes well to EWA, HWA and EWNCW. He's done an instrumental job in helping the newer guys in EWA feel welcome, and I can always have a good conversation with him in The Tea Spot if I wanted to

In my view those 3 should be kept, but that's my opinion

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Amerinaine
06-18-2012, 02:28 PM
The only problems I ever had on here was with the Hashtag Mafia. That got quashed quickly by the mods. So, IMO the mods are doing just fine.

Efeds are damn roleplaying games. To take it seriously, is just stupid. If you take it seriously, leave the Efeds.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Nasty rumor of Frank shutting down the E-Fed sections. I hope it's just a rumor

Amerinaine
06-18-2012, 02:34 PM
All the EFeds need is it's own moderator. And it's own rules set at the beginning of the thread. That would probably help the most without having to close it down.

Bodom
06-18-2012, 02:36 PM
All the EFeds need is it's own moderator. And it's own rules set at the beginning of the thread. That would probably help the most without having to close it down.

Or just become it's own separate entity.

SLEEPY LOCO1
06-18-2012, 02:46 PM
Or just become it's own separate entity.

As much as I hate to say it I agree with this. JBW and HWA already have there own sites, maybe it would be best if they all did.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 02:49 PM
I'm surprised to see Broc, Sully and Giddy gone. Unfortunately, I can understand pau and Stevo being gone

Personally I believe Broc and Sully haven't done anything wrong. Correct me if I am wrong, because I only briefly scanned through the thread, but has Broc or Sully done anything major since December? Giddy has cut back on his derailing in recent weeks, and contributes well to EWA, HWA and EWNCW. He's done an instrumental job in helping the newer guys in EWA feel welcome, and I can always have a good conversation with him in The Tea Spot if I wanted to

In my view those 3 should be kept, but that's my opinion

Exactly, your opinion but you are not in our shoes and they have given us problems in the past. By the way, using efeds as a way to show that they are good sports doesn't help out entirely.

Keep supporting all you want but just know that I have run out on chances.

HeelTurn
06-18-2012, 02:52 PM
Genuine question here, not having a go at anyone.

Why close the efeds if the troublemakers have been permabanned?

Amerinaine
06-18-2012, 02:55 PM
Genuine question here, not having a go at anyone.

Why close the efeds if the troublemakers have been permabanned?

That is why I brought up that section getting it's own Mods and Rules. Of course, Forum rules would still apply.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 02:57 PM
Genuine question here, not having a go at anyone.

Why close the efeds if the troublemakers have been permabanned?

If it does close down, it is because it promotes more troublemakers.

bearkg88
06-18-2012, 02:59 PM
If it does close down, it is because it promotes more troublemakers.

That is a valid point SG, in the same breath though, I think the banning of Sully, Broc, Giddy, and Pau kind of sends waves through the efed section for people who are regulars there. In the same notion, I can't name anyone from that section who causes problems. It's the idea of why punish the group for the actions of a few.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:01 PM
Mods, please. I've been here for about a year now, and I joined e-Feds 10 months ago. If this rumor is actually true, then please read this. I love e-Fedding and it is seriously one of the most joyous things I get to do right now in my life. No, I'm not saying I'm a nerd and I'm obsessed about e-Fed, but it has become a staple in my life. I have a lot going in my life right now. I've had tragedy strike me. My mother has been gravely sick for awhile. Now I'm not trying to give a sob story, or looking for sympathy. But despite all that has gone on in my life, EWN e-fedding has always been there, and I deeply enjoy it each and every day. It gives me and whole lot of others, a lot of others who are great people, a chance to be creative, and let their ideas flow without worry of people giving negative remarks to their face. We're a group, we all have a bond with each other. I don't mean to call anyone out, but SilverGhost, you know what I'm talking about, you've been involved with e-Feds longer then a lot of us, and you know how fun it is, and how enjoyable it is to actual be yourself and express it. Some of the best creative minds I've ever seen, I've met right here in e-Feds. You punished those who did something, or more then one thing wrong, but please, I'm asking you, and I know I'm not alone, by saying, don't punish the rest of us, don't take our right away to have fun and be creative. Please. And don't take my signature to an offense, it is not meant to be rude, but rather to gather support peacefully about this. Please, if this rumor is indeed true, then really consider what I've said. I'm not trying to make an argument, or start a fight, or rebellion or whatever. I'm simply asking you, as a member of not only the e-Fedding community, but as my unspoken right for belonging to EWN.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:02 PM
That is a valid point SG, in the same breath though, I think the banning of Sully, Broc, Giddy, and Pau kind of sends waves through the efed section for people who are regulars there. In the same notion, I can't name anyone from that section who causes problems. It's the idea of why punish the group for the actions of a few.

I 100% agree

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:03 PM
That is a valid point SG, in the same breath though, I think the banning of Sully, Broc, Giddy, and Pau kind of sends waves through the efed section for people who are regulars there. In the same notion, I can't name anyone from that section who causes problems. It's the idea of why punish the group for the actions of a few.

We understand that but it is more on preventing future problems. I'm gonna be honest, the efed section was in thin ice before this. Also long as "creative differences" occur, issues will arise.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:06 PM
The shutting of the efed section is not my call or the mods. It is all Frank's call. I don't want to see it go personally but one cannot deny how many problems it cause many users and ourselves.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:08 PM
That is a valid point SG, in the same breath though, I think the banning of Sully, Broc, Giddy, and Pau kind of sends waves through the efed section for people who are regulars there. In the same notion, I can't name anyone from that section who causes problems. It's the idea of why punish the group for the actions of a few.

To add this, they have been banned before but no waves were sent. No example set that we were serious. But I am serious now.

bearkg88
06-18-2012, 03:10 PM
We understand that but it is more on preventing future problems. I'm gonna be honest, the efed section was in thin ice before this. Also long as "creative differences" occur, issues will arise.

True. I see what your saying SG, I just think getting rid of something that a lot of people enjoy, because of the chance there might be problems in the future, is acting hastily. I mean, I'm not saying there won't be issues/drama in the efed section, but I would think the owner of each fed should be able to handle whatever it is without it getting to the boards. I would just hate to see the efed section go away, or forced to migrate somewhere else. I'd still come to EWN because I enjoy talking to people about what is currently going on in wrestling, but I think if the fed section were closed, a decent number of people might leave/stop posting. Either way, I understand yours, Robs, Bodoms, TDA, Apes, and Franks decision

bearkg88
06-18-2012, 03:11 PM
To add this, they have been banned before but no waves were sent. No example set that we were serious. But I am serious now.

I can't speak so much as to when they were banned before, as while I was a member of EWN then, I wasn't actively involved then. I can say since becoming involved in January, this is the first time I've seen such a wave of commotion over a banning.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:13 PM
I would like to say that if the E-Fed section goes, I would expect some regular posters to go too

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:13 PM
The shutting of the efed section is not my call or the mods. It is all Frank's call. I don't want to see it go personally but one cannot deny how many problems it cause many users and ourselves.

But SG, not to argue, but only to bring up another point.
Yes, there have been problems in the past, but you, all as mods, have taken action against those who DID commit these problems.
Why continue to take action to those who are innocent? I know it is not your call, or any of the mods, but I know you have some sort of influence. Please, do you see all of this gathered support? Just take that into account.

No_1eddiefan
06-18-2012, 03:14 PM
The efed section is what really sets this place apart from other sites though.

We're the best wrestling news site on the net, and it's the efed section that makes it such.

IrkenInvader
06-18-2012, 03:16 PM
Any other users you guys have a problem with?


Like with the initials II?

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:17 PM
True. I see what your saying SG, I just think getting rid of something that a lot of people enjoy, because of the chance there might be problems in the future, is acting hastily. I mean, I'm not saying there won't be issues/drama in the efed section, but I would think the owner of each fed should be able to handle whatever it is without it getting to the boards. I would just hate to see the efed section go away, or forced to migrate somewhere else. I'd still come to EWN because I enjoy talking to people about what is currently going on in wrestling, but I think if the fed section were closed, a decent number of people might leave/stop posting. Either way, I understand yours, Robs, Bodoms, TDA, Apes, and Franks decision

Even if it is well taken care of, it can spill out. Not saying you are wrong or anything. Also take this in consideration, this isn't an efedding site. This is a wrestling forum where we form our opinions on wrestling and ideas.

Over a period of time, most of the problems came from the section. I never liked that one bit and I had hoped that the users would handle it but it is just the same thing. It may be rash and all and as I said, personally I don't want to see it go but it is Frank's call.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:18 PM
Even if it is well taken care of, it can spill out. Not saying you are wrong or anything. Also take this in consideration, this isn't an efedding site. This is a wrestling forum where we form our opinions on wrestling and ideas.

Over a period of time, most of the problems came from the section. I never liked that one bit and I had hoped that the users would handle it but it is just the same thing. It may be rash and all and as I said, personally I don't want to see it go but it is Frank's call.

But SG, since you took 4 people out who were causing the problems, how is become a matter of jumping to conclusions, and in some way, a little bit premature for you as mods to assume that the rest, who have basically caused no problems, to "pick up where they left off"?

bearkg88
06-18-2012, 03:19 PM
Even if it is well taken care of, it can spill out. Not saying you are wrong or anything. Also take this in consideration, this isn't an efedding site. This is a wrestling forum where we form our opinions on wrestling and ideas.

Over a period of time, most of the problems came from the section. I never liked that one bit and I had hoped that the users would handle it but it is just the same thing. It may be rash and all and as I said, personally I don't want to see it go but it is Frank's call.

The first paragraph, valid point. I see where your coming from with the second part. My question is, any idea when Frank will make the decision?

Shaz11
06-18-2012, 03:20 PM
The only reason I come on here is because of the E-Fedding. If you look at my recent posts, they've all been related to ICW. This isn't me, but I'd literally beg Frank not to shut down the E-Fedding section. That's the thing that keeps me off the streets.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:21 PM
I can't speak so much as to when they were banned before, as while I was a member of EWN then, I wasn't actively involved then. I can say since becoming involved in January, this is the first time I've seen such a wave of commotion over a banning.

I know but this has been building for quite a while. Chances given and taken advantage of. It sucks I know.


I would like to say that if the E-Fed section goes, I would expect some regular posters to go too

I know that would happen.


But SG, not to argue, but only to bring up another point.
Yes, there have been problems in the past, but you, all as mods, have taken action against those who DID commit these problems.
Why continue to take action to those who are innocent? I know it is not your call, or any of the mods, but I know you have some sort of influence. Please, do you see all of this gathered support? Just take that into account.


The efed section is what really sets this place apart from other sites though.

We're the best wrestling news site on the net, and it's the efed section that makes it such.

I'll try to do what I can to keep the efed section. Maybe now it won't be as bad but it is still in thin ice :(

HeelTurn
06-18-2012, 03:23 PM
Ironically I tend to avoid the WWE and TNA threads due to the constant Cena bashing, TNA bashing, PG bashing, "fanboys" arguing with other "fanboys" and all sorts of other crap that makes this place less fun.

TheDevilsAdvocate
06-18-2012, 03:24 PM
This is hitting me pretty hard.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:24 PM
But SG, since you took 4 people out who were causing the problems, how is become a matter of jumping to conclusions, and in some way, a little bit premature for you as mods to assume that the rest, who have basically caused no problems, to "pick up where they left off"?

It is one of those "precautions".


The first paragraph, valid point. I see where your coming from with the second part. My question is, any idea when Frank will make the decision?



The only reason I come on here is because of the E-Fedding. If you look at my recent posts, they've all been related to ICW. This isn't me, but I'd literally beg Frank not to shut down the E-Fedding section. That's the thing that keeps me off the streets.

I'll talk to him but just know that it is his call. Seeing that the forum members do care, he would reconsider.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:25 PM
Ironically I tend to avoid the WWE and TNA threads due to the constant Cena bashing, TNA bashing, PG bashing, "fanboys" arguing with other "fanboys" and all sorts of other crap that makes this place less fun.

That has gotten down to just Cena bashing. I never go to the TNA section nowadays.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:27 PM
SG, TDA, you know how important e-Fedding is to some of us, you've been there, had success, and have enjoyed as all of us do right now. I know you supporting us, or at least seeing all this support, would urge you to talk to Frank, I know it won't hurt. Don't take away from the rest of us what you took away from those 4 because of their actions.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 03:28 PM
This is hitting me pretty hard.

That feel bro, that feel.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:29 PM
SG, TDA, you know how important e-Fedding is to some of us, you've been there, had success, and have enjoyed as all of us do right now. I know you supporting us, or at least seeing all this support, would urge you to talk to Frank, I know it won't hurt. Don't take away from the rest of us what you took away from those 4 because of their actions.

I sent a PM to Frank for you guy's defense for the efed section.

chunkkynutzzz
06-18-2012, 03:30 PM
Dear Frank,

Wats up and hello, I'm just going to be very straight forward. I LoVe The Efeds here. They are Great and always keep me here daily. The only reason why I come on this site is for the efeds. And its cool to be apart of, a long time ago I was a fan ..always reading the ic between characters and the suspense of the shows. Then I Really got into it and to be honest it has helped me to stay out of trouble.

I'm not trying to put out anything false , ima be real. Efedding has took me out the streets as I stay occupied with it and have met a lot of cool people. Efeds has brought me into characters and things to work on. and it always has something for me to look forward to.

And I been having a lot of fun along with other people. And I've put people onto it too.

A lot of my co workers read the shows thru there cellphones and they just tell me about this guy or that guy.and its awesome to know , yea there wwe to watch and tna and Oh Can't Forget EWN Efed shows.. honest that's how good they are.
A lot of us are true fans, and it will Hurt a lot of people if its takin away.

So I got no shame in begging Please,pleeassee Don't shut down the efeds.


Its something I've enjoyed for a long time, and I'm not bad to anyone .. and with all the bans ..I say give it a chance with those people eliminated, and let it see where it goes.

Keep The Efeds , Please.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:31 PM
I sent a PM to Frank for you guy's defense for the efed section.

Thank you Silver. I, and I know the rest of, appreciate that deeply.

Vandarius
06-18-2012, 03:32 PM
I think I should put some input in on this subject. Even though I am fairly new to e-Fedding, I believe that if it is taken away from us, a large portion of the EWN society will slowly dissolve from the EWN forums, because the E-Fed section plays a major role in the terms of keeping the forum active!

I just started e-Fedding about a month ago, and I would be extremely disappointed to see it go. One of the things I look forward to when I get home from work everyday is relaxing in my chair, and IC'ing with my friends in the ICW, EWA and the EWNCW threads. I have made a whole new lot of friends, and that is because of e-Feds. One of the main reasons I come onto EWN is because of the e-Feds, and that is also one of the reasons I refer my friends to the site, because it is filled with friendly, active members, a large portion of them being involved within the e-Feds.

Since I have been here, I have yet to run into anyone who has rubbed me the wrong way, and this is the first time I have ever heard of any problems within the e-Feds. I do not think there will be anymore problems within the e-Feds since the trouble makers were banned, so why punish the ones who have done no wrong doing? Keep the e-Fed alive, Frank, you know you want to! :)

Signed, Vandarius

TheDevilsAdvocate
06-18-2012, 03:38 PM
SG, TDA, you know how important e-Fedding is to some of us, you've been there, had success, and have enjoyed as all of us do right now. I know you supporting us, or at least seeing all this support, would urge you to talk to Frank, I know it won't hurt. Don't take away from the rest of us what you took away from those 4 because of their actions.

I'm aware of this. I really don't want the 'fed section going anywhere. As far as I am concerned ICW, EWA, EWNCW, and JBW are still running strong. I wouldn't want to rid the members of their creative outlet. I wasn't here for the major stuff, but Kash, Robstar, Bodom, SilverGhost, and myself have warned you guys about what could possibly happen soon. It's a tough pill to swallow. If the 'feds stay then don't make Frank regret his choice. The next few days are crucial for you guys to do some major archiving if you want to keep the shows going. I will do what I can.


That feel bro, that feel.

And it is very awkward.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 03:38 PM
If the feds don't survive I'm working on a new home for them.

This is no disrespect to the Forums, but I understand the importance of them to everyone here. If they stay, then so be it.

I'm still not going anywhere though, regardless. I enjoy eWN a lot.

eboy
06-18-2012, 03:39 PM
I care about Efeds. yes they have problems but the mods and the Efed leaders could work through them togehter. I beleive that Efedding could be so good for this site if given the chance. honestly you can't find effedding like this anywhere on the web.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:41 PM
If the feds don't survive I'm working on a new home for them.

This is no disrespect to the Forums, but I understand the importance of them to everyone here. If they stay, then so be it.

I'm still not going anywhere though, regardless. I enjoy eWN a lot.

If the E-Feds go, or Broc, Sully and Giddy aren't back, I leave

K2Jelly
06-18-2012, 03:42 PM
Good to see that everyone cares for the feds and hopefully, they won't get shut down. Thanks for all the support, guys.

Win or lose, no one can see we didn't try.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 03:42 PM
If the E-Feds go, or Broc, Sully and Giddy aren't back, I leave

I think you made that pretty clear in your sig.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:44 PM
If the E-Feds go, or Broc, Sully and Giddy aren't back, I leave

They aren't coming back. I will not let them.

Changing your sig won't change my mind either.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:44 PM
I think you made that pretty clear in your sig.

Still, the sig stays unless they are back. If they change it. I change it back. If they ban me, I find a new home

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:45 PM
They aren't coming back. I will not let them.

Changing your sig won't change my mind either.

Fine, but I still like to let people know my opinion.

WE WANT E-FEDS. WE WANT BROC, SULLY AND GIDDY

K2Jelly
06-18-2012, 03:46 PM
Still, the sig stays unless they are back. If they change it. I change it back. If they ban me, I find a new home

It's not worth it, dude.

They're going to be on WZR anyway. Just meet up with them there. I don't want to see you go to.

Bodom
06-18-2012, 03:47 PM
Fine, but I still like to let people know my opinion.

WE WANT E-FEDS. WE WANT BROC, SULLY AND GIDDY

Cool beans. But that signature is too big. Ease back on the size.

bearkg88
06-18-2012, 03:48 PM
Fine, but I still like to let people know my opinion.

WE WANT E-FEDS. WE WANT BROC, SULLY AND GIDDY

Not trying to sound like a douche Destruct, but making a sig like that is just being obnoxious and won't change SG or any other mods opinion. If anything,, it'll just piss them off and you'll get banned dude

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 03:49 PM
Cool beans. But that signature is too big. Ease back on the size.

Bodom, I love you man.

SilverGhost
06-18-2012, 03:49 PM
Still, the sig stays unless they are back. If they change it. I change it back. If they ban me, I find a new home


Fine, but I still like to let people know my opinion.

WE WANT E-FEDS. WE WANT BROC, SULLY AND GIDDY


It's not worth it, dude.

They're going to be on WZR anyway. Just meet up with them there. I don't want to see you go to.

Destruction, you better tread lightly and pay attention to this^^^^

As I said no matter how you protest, I have no chances to give.

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:50 PM
It's not worth it, dude.

They're going to be on WZR anyway. Just meet up with them there. I don't want to see you go to.

I still like to see them back. I have twice as much fun when they are online.

Thank you for you not wanting to see me go (if that makes sense :rolleyes:)

Destruction
06-18-2012, 03:52 PM
Cool beans. But that signature is too big. Ease back on the size.

All right. I do see I was being a bit of a dick. Imma going to cool down for a bit

No_1eddiefan
06-18-2012, 03:52 PM
I still like to see them back. I have twice as much fun when they are online.

Thank you for you not wanting to see me go (if that makes sense :rolleyes:)

Dude, don't get yourself banned for Broc, Sully & Giddy.

Should the efeds continue onwards, you have to stay around for ICW, EWA, HWA.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Fine, but I still like to let people know my opinion.

WE WANT E-FEDS. WE WANT BROC, SULLY AND GIDDY

They had their chance Destruction! They could potentially, make us all lose our chances because of their actions! Look at the big picture, e-Feds are more important then a few people, especially the one's who caused the problems! You're being selfish by making some huge signature, and being immature about 3 people who got banned for good reasons. This isn't about them, they're gone, and aren't coming back, this is about the e-Feds! Wipe the selfishness from your eyes and see it! They are not coming back, but now, we need to worry about the E-Feds, and losing them because of how THEY acted! I don't mean to cause a fight, or argument, but you're being selfish, and aren't thinking about the rest of us here.

TheDevilsAdvocate
06-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Why shoot yourself in the foot over something that just now happened? Broc, Sully, and Giddy aren't the only people who cared about you on these forums. You shouldn't sacrifice your standing with them. If you have them added in other places then you can talk to them there. Just please stop this. If you wish to leave then I will not stop you. I will however let you know that I had enjoyed your company and posts around the forum.

thejman93
06-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Cool beans. But that signature is too big. Ease back on the size.

Hahahahahaha!

Beautifully done, Bods.

Seriously though, Frank's decision is what it is. Do I agree with it? No. That being said, no matter what, the EWN E-Feds will live on.

Krysys
06-18-2012, 03:56 PM
If the feds don't survive I'm working on a new home for them.

This is no disrespect to the Forums, but I understand the importance of them to everyone here. If they stay, then so be it.

I'm still not going anywhere though, regardless. I enjoy eWN a lot.

This is already in the works, and has been for awhile dude, trust me. I saw this coming sadly.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 03:58 PM
This is already in the works, and has been for awhile dude, trust me. I saw this coming sadly.

Regardless Krysys, don't lose faith now. Please, for the sake of all of us, don't lose hope, but rather keep faith that those steps need not to be made.

HolyJose2391
06-18-2012, 04:00 PM
Guys the efed section may be gone we don't know for sure but it's Frank's Decision don't like it but hey it's life. The efeds live on EWNCW I'm working with them where they can set up. JBW has been prepared since Februrary we'll work it out

Krysys
06-18-2012, 04:01 PM
Regardless Krysys, don't lose faith now. Please, for the sake of all of us, don't lose hope, but rather keep faith that those steps need not to be made.

Oh I have hope, I have faith, trust me. I do not want to see the feds closed, I am after all a creator of 3 (soon to be 4?) feds.

Vandarius
06-18-2012, 04:01 PM
Regardless Krysys, don't lose faith now. Please, for the sake of all of us, don't lose hope, but rather keep faith that those steps need not to be made.

AirBourne is right, don't lose hope just yet. We do not know what the final decision is, and the only thing we can do right now is make our case respectfully and hope we are heard and that we keep the e-Feds alive and well for a very long time.

thejman93
06-18-2012, 04:01 PM
Regardless Krysys, don't lose faith now. Please, for the sake of all of us, don't lose hope, but rather keep faith that those steps need not to be made.

AirBourne, my man, can we take it down a notch or two on the drama meter? You're going all Hamlet on this thing and it's starting to weird me out.

TheDevilsAdvocate
06-18-2012, 04:03 PM
AirBourne, my man, can we take it down a notch or two on the drama meter? You're going all Hamlet on this thing and it's starting to weird me out.

To be or not to be.... That is the question.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 04:03 PM
AirBourne, my man, can we take it down a notch or two on the drama meter? You're going all Hamlet on this thing and it's starting to weird me out.

Lmfao.

Brilliant.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 04:04 PM
To be or not to be.... That is the question.

Well played. ;)

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 04:04 PM
AirBourne, my man, can we take it down a notch or two on the drama meter? You're going all Hamlet on this thing and it's starting to weird me out.

Jman, I am not trying to be dramatic, or cause any if that. I'm just trying to do my best to keep hope right now that the e-feds will stay alive. The more support and positive thinking we get, the better it is for us.

Vandarius
06-18-2012, 04:06 PM
Jman, I am not trying to be dramatic, or cause any if that. I'm just trying to do my best to keep hope right now that the e-feds will stay alive. The more support and positive thinking we get, the better it is for us.

I second that notion right there, it wasn't dramatic at all, it was what was needed to be said, simple as that. :)

Robstar
06-18-2012, 04:06 PM
I can't even read any more of this thread without replying right now.

As I said to another member - these banned users were actively turning people away from the site. Tell me - why would we keep them around in that case? Their posting style was simply passive aggressive bullying. You know, just because you say something with a smile on your face doesn't disguise the intent, it doesn't make you any less of a bad guy. You want to run down the mods, fine, it's what I'd expect from some of you. At least we do it to your face. You are very, very, very welcome to go somewhere else. If anyone thinks the banniong had anything to do with this thread, then you couldn't be more mistaken.

All we did was remove the cancer.

thejman93
06-18-2012, 04:06 PM
To be or not to be.... That is the question.

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep-- No more--and by a sleep to say we end....




Lmfao.

Brilliant.

I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 04:08 PM
I can't even read any more of this thread without replying right now.

As I said to another member - these banned users were actively turning people away from the site. Tell me - why would we keep them around in that case? Their posting style was simply passive aggressive bullying. You know, just because you say something with a smile on your face doesn't disguise the intent, it doesn't make you any less of a bad guy. You want to run down the mods, fine, it's what I'd expect from some of you. At least we do it to your face. You are very, very, very welcome to go somewhere else. If anyone thinks the banniong had anything to do with this thread, then you couldn't be more mistaken.

All we did was remove the cancer.

Rob, we aren't arguing the banning of those guys, we recognize that they caused problems.
But what we are trying to do is keep the e-Feds alive. And we are doing so peacefully.
That's our intent.

bearkg88
06-18-2012, 04:09 PM
Jman, I am not trying to be dramatic, or cause any if that. I'm just trying to do my best to keep hope right now that the e-feds will stay alive. The more support and positive thinking we get, the better it is for us.


The efeds will stay alive AB, even if they go somewhere else. Jman is just saying the way you make it sound is its life or death for the efeds, when it truth, if they get removed here, they get a new home somewhere else. Thats all. Plus we all could be as positive thinking and supportive as we want, it comes down to franks decision

Torphy
06-18-2012, 04:09 PM
May I have your attention please. I've always wanted to say that.

I've been watching this thread, trying to digest it and to be honest, it's not worth it :)

I'm sure it's no skin off anyone elses nose but i'm gonna just walk away from the feds and the site, it's just no fun anymore. Whether it's 'feral children' attacking others in a pack mentality, people taking feds too seriously, backroom politics or mods swinging the ban hammer, it's just no fun anymore.

For the record, I don't agree with the bans of a couple of those affected, considering there are other forum users who are guilty of MUCH worse in my eyes, just a little inconsistent, but hey i'm not a mod and i'm sure they have their reasons. Fare thee well EWN.

Robstar
06-18-2012, 04:10 PM
Then my advice is to save what you can to your comp and Frank has said he will relaunch an efed in some form later on. There has to be more to life than efeds surely?

Vandarius
06-18-2012, 04:10 PM
I can't even read any more of this thread without replying right now.

As I said to another member - these banned users were actively turning people away from the site. Tell me - why would we keep them around in that case? Their posting style was simply passive aggressive bullying. You know, just because you say something with a smile on your face doesn't disguise the intent, it doesn't make you any less of a bad guy. You want to run down the mods, fine, it's what I'd expect from some of you. At least we do it to your face. You are very, very, very welcome to go somewhere else. If anyone thinks the banniong had anything to do with this thread, then you couldn't be more mistaken.

All we did was remove the cancer.

Like I mentioned before, I'm not sure what the past problems were, but as you have said, you "removed" the cancer, which is what was needed to be done. Now that the problems are gone, the rest of us are just trying to ensure we, the innocent, are not punished because of the few that were just recently taken care of. I personally think there will be no more issues within the e-Fed, because everyone gets along, so the Era of Drama should have come to a close, and the Era of Awesome will begin! :D

AirBourne
06-18-2012, 04:11 PM
The efeds will stay alive AB, even if they go somewhere else. Jman is just saying the way you make it sound is its life or death for the efeds, when it truth, if they get removed here, they get a new home somewhere else. Thats all. Plus we all could be as positive thinking and supportive as we want, it comes down to franks decision

But I'm sure I'm not the only one who would prefer for them to stay here. It's not life or death, but obviously, most of us would like the e-Feds to stay right where they are. If we all were doing something wrong, then that would be a different story. But it was a select few that have been removed. So I'm saying, why continue to make action against the rest who have done nothing wrong. And while yes, it's Frank's decision, I don't see how coming together collectively would hurt our chances.

JSullivan
06-18-2012, 04:13 PM
Then my advice is to save what you can to your comp and Frank has said he will relaunch an efed in some form later on. There has to be more to life than efeds surely?

I personally agree, but I think removing it removes a LARGE number of the posters from the forums.

A lot of people have it as their way to vent or release creativity they may be ridiculed for in person. I know I do. I use it to improve my character development for my book writing.

It's not all there is to life, but I sympathise with those who do feel it's a big deal to them.