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dlhooven
05-29-2012, 07:42 AM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?

CricketTragic
05-29-2012, 08:09 AM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?

I agree with you pretty much except for the UFC comment.

He was World Champion, he must have been ok.

Haruko Haruhara
05-29-2012, 08:09 AM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?

Cool story, bro. Tell it again.

Asherdelampyr
05-29-2012, 08:15 AM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?

He mad

seriously though,

1. the "Quitting WWE" thing is obviously a work

2. He signed a short term deal with WWE, and has already showed his willingness to put people over

3. Since he signed a short term deal, I don't see the issue with him possibly going back to UFC once it is over, it's his life, he gets to live it however he wants to, and going back to where you were a legit 2 time Heavyweight champ with only like, 7 fights? Not a bad deal if he is able to take enough time off to recuperate from losing part of his intestine.

4. Yeah, his first stint in the WWE was marked by selfishness and stupidity, however I honestly believe he has grown since then, though WWE is milking his former rep for all it's worth, in front of and behind the camera.

5. He's in for a year to put a few guys over and have a Wrestlemania match, just like Rock, the only difference being putting more guys over. What's the problem there?

82Tucker
05-29-2012, 08:19 AM
He is a selfish guy, he openly admits it. There again if he's only interested in giving his wife and kids everything and he will do it anyway he can then who are we to judge?? I'd do the same.

He was the UFC Heavyweight Champion, he beat a HoFer and a legend in MMA Randy Couture to get the belt so he's a legit fighter just not in the elite class of a JDS,Velasquez etc.

If WWE want to pay him $5 million then that's their fault, they obviously see why they need to pay him that much. Let's see how this all pans out before we make judgement. Yes I AM a Lesnar fan but I can't see it being sensible for him to go back to UFC and fight, he will end up getting severely hurt by the top guns of the HW division.

It may just end up being UFC/WWE pushing the spotlight on Brock as a favour from Dana, who really knows? Just sit back and wait for it to happen if it's going to then shout all you want!!

Dr. Death
05-29-2012, 08:32 AM
Posted by dlhooven: Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance.

Lesnar had no chance in the UFC? Really? Are you serious? He was UFC Heavyweight Champion for crying out loud, and don't even say that it was fixed or slated to be that way as the UFC/MMA isn't like that. A person EARNS what they get by actually fighting.


Posted by dlhooven: He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance

For the record, Brock Lesnar left the WWE in 2004 when he went to the NFL and actually played in the preseason for the Minnesota Vikings and was a late cut, (he was cut because he created controversy in some games by starting minor fights and got heat from the Kansas City Chiefs for a sack on quarterback Damon Huard, which drew a big response from the crowd. Huard was hit hard and had to go to the sidelines and sit out a few plays), however the Vikings were impressed enough to recommend him for NFL Europe. On October 8, 2005, Lesnar won the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship @ NJPW, on June 29, 2007 Kurt Angle, (the then TNA Heavyweight Champion), defeated Lesnar for the IWGP Heavyweight Title in a Champion vs. Champion match. It was after this that Lesnar debuted for the UFC and eventually won the UFC Heavyweight Title. Returning to WWE in 2012, Lesnar beat up Cena, then (kayfabe) quit the company over supposed contract disputes. Remember this is all apart of a storyline, and the talks about him going back to the UFC are a part of that storyline for now. He may well go back to MMA eventually, but for now, expect him to make another showing in the WWE, remember, he is only slated to work an x amount of matches and PPVs per year as outlined in his actual contract.

Lowki
05-29-2012, 09:12 AM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?
He definitely didn't flop in the UFC... he suffered from several illnesses and parts of his colon removed. I'd like to see you train at their level after an operation like that. He's signed a year long contract with WWE and the idea behind the talks with white were to compete in BOTH! Regardless if it's real or a work, he is in an airtight agreement with WWE until next wrestlemania.

dlhooven
05-29-2012, 09:48 AM
In the UFC he was used for his name and reputation. He got wins because of his size and the fighters being unprepared for him, once the fighters figured him out he went down easy, just wait for him to get winded. Fact: He could not compete with HW UFC fighters now. Don't get me wrong I was a fan of Lesnar's until this latest situation; I am just tired of him. I do have to say he is playing into his WWE character quite well.

Dr. Death
05-29-2012, 10:08 AM
In the UFC he was used for his name and reputation. He got wins because of his size and the fighters being unprepared for him, once the fighters figured him out he went down easy, just wait for him to get winded. Fact: He could not compete with HW UFC fighters now. Don't get me wrong I was a fan of Lesnar's until this latest situation; I am just tired of him. I do have to say he is playing into his WWE character quite well.

What your stating as fact is in reality an opinion.

Keith Stone
05-29-2012, 10:10 AM
his UFC was so so. I mean sure he beat Randy Couture but he was out of his prime and definitely out of his weight class since he was a light heavyweight. Brock could beat guys that weren't as big as him but anyone that was his size he had trouble against.

82Tucker
05-29-2012, 10:20 AM
Agreed except against Frank Mir, who he beat up in the return fight after only being beaten by making a rookie mistake and leaving a leg right where you shouldn't when fighting Mir. Otherwise fight one against Mir was a pounding from Lesnar too.

Dr. Death
05-29-2012, 10:22 AM
his UFC was so so. I mean sure he beat Randy Couture but he was out of his prime and definitely out of his weight class since he was a light heavyweight. Brock could beat guys that weren't as big as him but anyone that was his size he had trouble against.

That's the nature of MMA, anyone any fighters size can win on any given date. Brock had trouble with pure strikers, not jiu-jitsu or wrestlers or ground and pound artists.

johnnydropkicks
05-29-2012, 11:26 AM
Cool story, bro. Tell it again.

derp a derp.

Haruko Haruhara
05-29-2012, 12:17 PM
There is nothing wrong with being selfish. I saw a few posts about that. Money money yeah yeah.

TheDevilsAdvocate
05-29-2012, 02:00 PM
The thing with Brock is that he went back too soon. He should have healed up and crafted his strengths and blanketed his flaws. Instead, he went back and got his ass kicked more than once. After I had surgery done on myself I felt weak for a long time. It felt like all of my energy and strength had left me completely. This is something I would assume that Brock Lesnar had experienced. Brock Lesnar dominated the UFC and if he wouldn't have gotten ill he would probably still be a champion or just a regular guy with a lower loss count. People always knock on Brock just because he came from the WWE to the UFC. If it would have been vice versa then everyone would have been defending him and praising his feats.

Cabers
05-29-2012, 02:30 PM
He makes a valid point Brock Lesnar is a straight up dick he is the hulk hogan of the noughties.

JSullivan
05-29-2012, 02:34 PM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?

Yeah, Fuck Brock Lesnar, I hate that guy...


...lol.

Slivon
05-29-2012, 03:51 PM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?
You don't seem to understand, just because the fans pay to see Lesnar, and pay for his merchandise does not mean Lesnar has to even notice the fans, because I'm pretty sure Brock Lesnar only got into most of the stuff he did for the money(that is what i think so don't try and correct me). So if Lesnar wants to jump from the WWE to UFC without caring about what the fans think then let him because it is his life to live not the fans life.

thisiswrestling
05-29-2012, 03:56 PM
I have been following WWE and WCW since the mid 90's and I haven't seen a wrestler that has been as selfish and conceded as one Brock Lesnar! This man only works for himself and gives nothing back to the fans and I for one am sick of it. He had the chance to be "The Next Big Thing" in the WWE (even though he didn't have mic skills AT ALL) and I was on board because he had it all; size, speed, ability, accolades, attitude, a big push from Vince, and most of all Paul Haymon, but that wasn't good enough for him he wanted to play NFL which he failed miserably at. Then he thought he could go into the UFC and compete. The only person that got hyped and flopped more than Lesnar was Kimbo; what a waste of time and money these guys were. UFC has top athletes that have trained in MIXED MARTIAL ARTS not just wrestling and boxing. Lesner had no chance. That leads us to his current situation. He couldn't compete in the UFC so he "retired" to go back to WWE where the wrestling fans (and their 6 month short term memory) gave him a second chance, just for him to turn his back yet again and talk about going back to UFC. Now like I said I am a long time wrestling fan and do realize this could be a work and if it is, it is an epic cross promotional work the likes of which will be legendary, but if this is the real situation I say FU*K Lesnar! Who's with me?

I'm actually with ya. :) Lesnar's a good wrestler, but a real bastard.

Robstar
05-29-2012, 04:50 PM
Lesnar had no chance in the UFC? Really? Are you serious? He was UFC Heavyweight Champion for crying out loud, and don't even say that it was fixed or slated to be that way as the UFC/MMA isn't like that. A person EARNS what they get by actually fighting.



For the record, Brock Lesnar left the WWE in 2004 when he went to the NFL and actually played in the preseason for the Minnesota Vikings and was a late cut, (he was cut because he created controversy in some games by starting minor fights and got heat from the Kansas City Chiefs for a sack on quarterback Damon Huard, which drew a big response from the crowd. Huard was hit hard and had to go to the sidelines and sit out a few plays), however the Vikings were impressed enough to recommend him for NFL Europe. On October 8, 2005, Lesnar won the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship @ NJPW, on June 29, 2007 Kurt Angle, (the then TNA Heavyweight Champion), defeated Lesnar for the IWGP Heavyweight Title in a Champion vs. Champion match. It was after this that Lesnar debuted for the UFC and eventually won the UFC Heavyweight Title. Returning to WWE in 2012, Lesnar beat up Cena, then (kayfabe) quit the company over supposed contract disputes. Remember this is all apart of a storyline, and the talks about him going back to the UFC are a part of that storyline for now. He may well go back to MMA eventually, but for now, expect him to make another showing in the WWE, remember, he is only slated to work an x amount of matches and PPVs per year as outlined in his actual contract.

Death he says in his book he couldn't play NFL because of his motorcycle accident. Is it just me or do the word 'motorcycle' and 'accident' crop up a lot with athletes?

Asherdelampyr
05-29-2012, 04:53 PM
Death he says in his book he couldn't play NFL because of his motorcycle accident. Is it just me or do the word 'motorcycle' and 'accident' crop up a lot with athletes?

well yeah, but Motorcycles are awesome

also it doesn't matter if some hotshot CEO wrecks his bike, since it's not like he actually has to do anything anyway

HeelTurn
05-29-2012, 04:53 PM
Lesnar joins Jericho and Tensai in the group of disappointing comebacks.

Robstar
05-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Lesnar joins Jericho and Tensai in the group of disappointing comebacks.

True dat! Tensai is already looking for an out

Cynicism
05-29-2012, 05:38 PM
Death he says in his book he couldn't play NFL because of his motorcycle accident. Is it just me or do the word 'motorcycle' and 'accident' crop up a lot with athletes?

I guess these professional athletes with their great hand/eye co-ordination are much more clumsy than they look.